Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[madmike]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Cons up by 1% in the latest poll. which prob means the Libs are up by 5-7%... lol

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/arti...p-rises-nanos/

Meanwhile the NDP is still nowhere. Makes you wonder how long they can last.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by Azure

Anyone that says they are fiscally responsible and goes along with massive yearly spending increases and tax increases and stupidity increases is not fiscally responsible.

Being "fiscally responsible" does not mean "not spending."


It means spending responsibly and there are times where spending more is the responsible thing to do.

Anyways. Frank Graves, who called the CPC cratering, is now saying the CPC lead hasn't just evaporated but fully reversed. I know people have some concerns about how he comes about his numbers but he was right about one thing so far in this current cycle.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

You know increasing taxes can be a part of being fiscally responsible, right?

Providing you don't "Kill the goose that laid the golden egg".

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by flamesfever

Providing you don't "Kill the goose that laid the golden egg".

Yes, otherwise we'd get no trickle down.

[Cowboy89]

There isn't a good answer for Canada fiscally right now:

- Any election platform that doesn't have massive increased military spending immediately (IE not taking until 2030-2032 to reach 2% of GDP like we have committed to NATO) is making the assumption that Trump's annexation threat or tariff threats do not have any substance or implications long term

-The tariff threat has exposed that there needs to be strategic infrastructure spending or at least government backstop to help get our products to non-US markets ASAP - that's going to cost a pretty penny whether that's incentives to build pipelines to tidewater, LNG plants, creating infrastructure right of ways etc.

-The population continues to get older and health costs continue to escalate

On the revenue side, there aren't anymore pots of gold left to tax, especially at a time when our neighbor to the South is actively trying to poach our businesses and industries. We already tax people who can barely afford a house like they are rich (The median house costs the 95th percentile income and we tax that income at 50-65% on the margin depending on the jurisdiction).

[Harry Lime]

A bridge too far with being socially progressive is trying to solve all of the worlds problems. The Trudeau government was horrible for this.

Canada just isn't big enough for what we do or don't do, to matter. Trudeau wanted to lead the world by example, but nobody cared. All he did was hurt us economically and lower the quality of living by trying.

So you can be socially progressive and fiscally conservative if you are not an idiot. Use the conservatism to make as much money as possible, and then use that money in a progressive way.

We really can have it all, as long as you don't think money is bad, and also have a heart. ..... I'm trying to think of a politician that fits that image. ...... crap

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

There isn't a good answer for Canada fiscally right now:

- Any election platform that doesn't have massive increased military spending immediately (IE not taking until 2030-2032 to reach 2% of GDP like we have committed to NATO) is making the assumption that Trump's annexation threat or tariff threats do not have any substance or implications long term

-The tariff threat has exposed that there needs to be strategic infrastructure spending or at least government backstop to help get our products to non-US markets ASAP - that's going to cost a pretty penny whether that's incentives to build pipelines to tidewater, LNG plants, creating infrastructure right of ways etc.

-The population continues to get older and health costs continue to escalate

On the revenue side, there aren't anymore pots of gold left to tax, especially at a time when our neighbor to the South is actively trying to poach our businesses and industries. We already tax people who can barely afford a house like they are rich (The median house costs the 95th percentile income and we tax that income at 50-65% on the margin depending on the jurisdiction).

There are so many pots of gold left! Canada is insanely rich with resources. There's not much money in coal, but there's lots in titanium. There's a decent amount of money in crude oil, but tonnes in refined oil, if we can get it to a refinery. Etcetera Etcetera.

Canada just needs to realize that out emissions are about 0.2 percent of the global total. We just dont matter!

As long as we protect our clean water, we can really do whatever we want. I'd prefer that it's government owned as opposed to private, but that's just the communist in me.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

wtf?

Party elephant was correct in his explanation.

Socially progressive / fiscally conservative stance ignores a large part of "progressivism" which requires higher taxes / spending for a large part of that progressivism.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

There are so many pots of gold left! Canada is insanely rich with resources. There's not much money in coal, but there's lots in titanium. There's a decent amount of money in crude oil, but tonnes in refined oil, if we can get it to a refinery. Etcetera Etcetera.

Canada just needs to realize that out emissions are about 0.2 percent of the global total. We just dont matter!

As long as we protect our clean water, we can really do whatever we want. I'd prefer that it's government owned as opposed to private, but that's just the communist in me.

We are not rich if we do not have the ability to sell it.

In fact by the looks of things we won’t even have a country if we don’t hop to it.

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Fiscally responsible doesn't mean f****** cheap.

Fiscally responsible is buying a 30 pack of toilet paper for $16 because it's $0.53/roll.

F****** cheap is buying a two pack of toilet paper for $2.50 because $2.50 is less than $16.

Fiscally responsible is using resources to get the desired goal is the best way possible.

F****** cheap is cutting because #reasons #LookAtTheSavingsIgnoreTheCosts

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

Fiscally responsible doesn't mean f****** cheap.

Fiscally responsible is buying a 30 pack of toilet paper for $16 because it's $0.53/roll.

F****** cheap is buying a two pack of toilet paper for $2.50 because $2.50 is less than $16.

Fiscally responsible is using resources to get the desired goal is the best way possible.

F****** cheap is cutting because #reasons #LookAtTheSavingsIgnoreTheCosts

So we need to....buy in bulk? Should we become annexed with Costco?

Elect Kirkland for Prime Minister on the condition that Canada only have 1 hockey team and its the Calgary Flames?

[fotze2]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

We are not rich if we do not have the ability to sell it.

In fact by the looks of things we won’t even have a country if we don’t hop to it.

Our air will be world class though, maybe we can sell that.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by fotze2

Our air will be world class though, maybe we can sell that.

Oh now you want to go full Spaceballs!!

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Locke

So we need to....buy in bulk? Should we become annexed with Costco?

Elect Kirkland for Prime Minister on the condition that Canada only have 1 hockey team and its the Calgary Flames?

Sorry, it would be the Kirkland Lakers

[Locke]

Originally Posted by edslunch

Sorry, it would be the Kirkland Lakers

I said CALGARY FLAMES!!!

And all of Canada shall have to cheer for them! It shall be so!

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

There isn't a good answer for Canada fiscally right now:

- Any election platform that doesn't have massive increased military spending immediately (IE not taking until 2030-2032 to reach 2% of GDP like we have committed to NATO) is making the assumption that Trump's annexation threat or tariff threats do not have any substance or implications long term

-The tariff threat has exposed that there needs to be strategic infrastructure spending or at least government backstop to help get our products to non-US markets ASAP - that's going to cost a pretty penny whether that's incentives to build pipelines to tidewater, LNG plants, creating infrastructure right of ways etc.

-The population continues to get older and health costs continue to escalate

On the revenue side, there aren't anymore pots of gold left to tax, especially at a time when our neighbor to the South is actively trying to poach our businesses and industries. We already tax people who can barely afford a house like they are rich (The median house costs the 95th percentile income and we tax that income at 50-65% on the margin depending on the jurisdiction).

The only way forward is to massively increase our GDP.

If only we had some natural resources we could sell....

Also, in terms of military spending, lets start with a $10b base in Churchill along with 5 icebreakers.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Azure

Also, in terms of military spending, lets start with a $10b base in Churchill along with 5 icebreakers.

You should start with recruitment first.

Military can barley staff bases and ships that it has.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

You should start with recruitment first.

Military can barley staff bases and ships that it has.

Yes, yes, recruitment first and then we'll get to the 'drinking in the military' issue.

One problem at a time!

[Azure]

Balls in your court Carney. No reason he can't make common sense policy proposals and steal the win. PP's message has gotten stale.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1899489283196453220

[Mathgod]

Sure, you could cherry pick one poll.

Or you could show the entire list of polls.

https://338canada.com/polls.htm