[Trade] Hanifin (salary retained) to Vegas for Miromanov + 2026 1st + cond 3rd

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Apologies for being dumb, can someone explain protected v non-protected, assuming it means with respect to the draft lottery. If the pick is protected does that mean it gets deferred if the team drafts in the top 8 or something like that? Thanks

Yes. There are various levels of protection - ie, slides if first pick, slides if top 3, slides if top 10, but generally that means the team getting the pick just gets next years instead.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Of all the present contenders, Vegas is most likely to crash. It depends on their goaltending (they have neither guy signed for 2025-26) and how their injured/aging guys are.

Stone may be out of hockey by then. They won't have Stephenson. Likely not Marchessault. Pietrangelo will be 36. Eichel is always iffy. Their D will be Hague and Whitecloud and maybe Theodore if they can extend him. Nowhere near their past D. Hill will want a pile of money if his numbers continue. Thompson will want to start somewhere.

And miccrimmon is going to run out of shiny jewels to make big splash trades that improve them immediately.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

And miccrimmon is going to run out of shiny jewels to make big splash trades that improve them immediately.

True. They've been shedding draft picks and their prospect pool is dismal.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

True. They've been shedding draft picks and their prospect pool is dismal.

And I'm sure they feel it was worth it and would do it all again.

But those hail marys that pay off short term tend to come with long term hurt.

Let's hope that catches up with them in 2 years.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

And I'm sure they feel it was worth it and would do it all again.

But those hail marys that pay off short term tend to come with long term hurt.

Let's hope that catches up with them in 2 years.

Oh, of course. They may be thinking they will sell off a few guys like Roy and Barbashev to recoup picks, too.

[zuluking]

Originally Posted by Lanny_McDonald

How do you figure? McCrimmon dictated terms throughout the negotiation by the sound of it. I suspect it went something like this.

McCrimmon: Hi Craig, what do you want for Hanifin?

Conroy: I'm thinking I need a 1st rounder, a player, and another pick in the 2nd round. I think that moves the team forward.

McCrimmon: Sure, I can make that happen.

Conroy: Awesome. We were trying to get something done with Tampa but they only had a 2026 1st and they wanted top 10 protection. So your 1st in the next draft, a 2nd, and that Edstrom kid?

McCrimmon: Sorry Craig, the 2024 pick is off the table and so is Edstrom. Our top four prospects are off the table, but if there is someone you like, lets talk.

Conroy: Okay, then we'll do a 2025 1st, a 2024 2nd, and Daniil Chayka. Deal?

McCrimmon: Can't do Danill Chayka, but do have another Daniil you might like, Daniil Mironmanov. Big kid with a booming shot. Has all the skills, we just haven't found a spot for him. Lots of potential.

Conroy: That's a possibility if we can get the picks nailed down. 2025 1st unprotected and a 2024 2nd?

McCrimmon: We're close. I've got another iron in the fire with another team where I may need that 2025 pick. How about if we make it conditional on that pick being available and not being top 10? If it isn't available or is top 10 it kicks to 2026.

Conroy: 2026, unprotected?

McCrimmon: Sure, we can do that. But I don't want to give that up without making the 2nd conditional on us getting out of the first round. You know how tough it is to get out of the 1st round Craig and I just want something to hedge against that bet. I'm giving you a possible lottery pick in 2026.

Conroy: Okay, a conditional third, but if you make it through the first round it goes to a 2nd.

McCrimmon: In 2025.

Conroy: What?

McCrimmon: The 2nd goes to 2025.

Conroy: Yeah, sure.

McCrimmon: Okay, then you have a deal. Hanifin for a 1st in either 2025 or 2026, depending on whether we use the 2025 pick, a conditional 3rd in 2024 which goes to a 2nd in 2025 if we make it out of the 1st round, and Daniil Miromanov.

Conroy: Unprotected 2026.

McCrimmon: Yep, unprotected 1st in 2026.

Conroy: Deal. Conroy fires up the fax machine and hangs up.

McCrimmon to the War Room: So when do I tell Conroy that I'm trading the 2025 for Thomas Hertl?

When Conroy sees the Vegas trade with San Jose: #### me.


I don't think there was anything shrewd in this deal other than McCrimmon keeping the fact they were trading that 2025 to San Jose for Hertl and they knew that 2026 was highly unlikely to be a lottery pick. Anyone dropping that condition has obvious plans in place. We can hope that Vegas faceplants, but looking at the roster doesn't scream lottery team. Nothing shrewd about thinking that was a possibility.

Wow. I just got stupider reading that and I'm already pretty stupid.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by zuluking

Wow. I just got stupider reading that and I'm already pretty stupid.

Post of 2024 so far !

[Geeoff]

isn't Daniil Chayka tracking to be a bust?

[curves2000]

I don't know about the people who think Vegas is going to come crashing down to earth, they have shown more than enough in their short time, they are smart, driven, aggressive and demand a culture of winning from the top.

Vegas is quickly becoming the premier place to play for a lot of players. Sure we like to think places like Florida and Tampa are but they have had a lot of issues over the years. Florida was a dead franchise very recently.

Vegas has the support, the weather, the taxes, the nightlife, lifestyle, ownership, players facilities literally 5 minutes from where the players live and a lot more.

I have no issues with the Flames being tough in business but if they are getting cocky but NOT making moves with American players and premier NHL agents, it's a problem.

We may need to have serious conversations about drafting American players from the east coast as we seem to have issues signing them. Winnipeg makes it a key to try and draft players from Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin and other mid west places. They feel it's beneficial from a travel perspective (families etc) somewhat similar people and weather as opposed to other American places.

[SuperMatt18]

Vegas didn't make the playoffs 2 years ago, and is the 8th seed right now.

I don't think it's crazy to think that pick could be 10-12 OV in 2 years.

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I don't know about the people who think Vegas is going to come crashing down to earth, they have shown more than enough in their short time, they are smart, driven, aggressive and demand a culture of winning from the top.

Vegas is quickly becoming the premier place to play for a lot of players. Sure we like to think places like Florida and Tampa are but they have had a lot of issues over the years. Florida was a dead franchise very recently.

Vegas has the support, the weather, the taxes, the nightlife, lifestyle, ownership, players facilities literally 5 minutes from where the players live and a lot more.

I have no issues with the Flames being tough in business but if they are getting cocky but NOT making moves with American players and premier NHL agents, it's a problem.

We may need to have serious conversations about drafting American players from the east coast as we seem to have issues signing them. Winnipeg makes it a key to try and draft players from Michigan, Illinois, Wisconsin and other mid west places. They feel it's beneficial from a travel perspective (families etc) somewhat similar people and weather as opposed to other American places.

Agree… lots of people still on the “always draft best player available and worry later”

I’m surprised people still advocate for this given our recent history. We are a small Canadian market. Need to be creative at every level to compete

[SuperMatt18]

You always draft the best player available.

Drafting Tkachuk is still better than drafting Tyson Jost

Drafting Adam Fox is still better than drafting Cliff Pu.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

What? Oh come on.

I want to see Lanny and CC collaborate for an nhl gm screenplay.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You always draft the best player available.

Drafting Tkachuk is still better than drafting Tyson Jost

Drafting Adam Fox is still better than drafting Cliff Pu.

You can say that again. Cliff poos are humiliating on a primitive level.

I hate getting the ####s at summit altitude.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Vegas didn't make the playoffs 2 years ago, and is the 8th seed right now.

I don't think it's crazy to think that pick could be 10-12 OV in 2 years.

Could totally see it.

Old expensive injury prone team with a huge draft pick deficit and thin prospect pool.

Let's hope it falls apart quickly and violently.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

You always draft the best player available.

Drafting Tkachuk is still better than drafting Tyson Jost

Drafting Adam Fox is still better than drafting Cliff Pu.

Yup. Ignoring northeastern us just because a few guys left is dumb.

I will say we most likely got the best years from those players who left. Outside of Tkachuk, the other players played in their prime here. Hanifin might get a bit better but I think he has topped out.

We will get the best years out of Coronato as well.

[2ArmBands]

I don’t know. Adam Fox never played a single game for us. If Im drafting long shots in say the the 4th round I might start to consider players that might actually sign with the organization.

First Round is a different story for sure I’d agree with that.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

I don’t know. Adam Fox never played a single game for us. If Im drafting long shots in the 4th round I might start to consider players that might actually sign with the organization.

First Round is a different story for sure I’d agree with that.

Not everyone is Adam Fox.

If our scouts are finding players like that in the 4th round I want them to keep drafting them even if they are American.

[curves2000]

I just think the prairie cities in the NHL have a different feel then other Canadian markets. Toronto and Montreal ARE big cities, feel like big cities, are close enough to a lot of different places and are close enough to major US markets that it's a different lifestyle for players, their families and more.

Perhaps the play isn't to avoid drafting US players from the east coast or something but more of a blueprint on how to deal with them when approaching UFA status. Don't want to sign on July 1st of a contract year? Ok, we are probably going to trade you.

Hoping, praying, catering and throwing more term and money than is reasonable to some players for the sake of staying in Calgary is not a winning strategy. American's think of Canada as a foreign country and it is, but Canadian's are a LOT more comfortable with virtually everything American than the reverse.

I personally think the NHL has a Canadian competition problem as the disparity is growing larger and the scenarios are changing for teams. Elliot Friedman kinda alluded to it on HNIC recently.

Back to the trade. Conroy did as well as he could but it sucks the value we are getting back for players like Chucky, Hanifin, Johnny. Hopefully we can hit on some picks but those guys had the potential to be serious hauls.

[Paulie Walnuts]

We offered Matthew 10.5 he signed for 9.5. We offered Johnny 10.5 he signed for 9.75.

I don’t think we are massively overpaying to keep these guys. We offered Hanifin 7.5, let’s see what he signs for. Keep in mind he almost signed as well. Everyone thought it was a done deal.

Staying away from Americans, we will miss out on good players. Maybe we should draft same Magas, they will love it here!