CP Mafia 4 - The Unknown Host - Game Over!

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Timbo

I am doing the same.

Could be you were trying to catch Squiggs out.
Also could be you are contriving to find a lame reason to jump on the lynch.

It would be irresponsible for me not to point this out to everyone although IMO it should be self evident.

If Squiggs or anyone else does get lynched I would hope it will be because of firm belief not because of rice paper allegations, especially at this point in the game.

I saw what I believe was not above board and I called you out on it.

I never said that you shouldn't comment on it, all I was doing was saying what my thought process was.

I haven't voted for Squiggs, and as I said I am looking at his posts in more detail because I didn't before. If something stands out to me and I want something clarified I ask. If I decide to vote for him it won't be just because of the quick topic comment.

[Timbo]

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I never said that you shouldn't comment on it, all I was doing was saying what my thought process was.

I haven't voted for Squiggs, and as I said I am looking at his posts in more detail because I didn't before. If something stands out to me and I want something clarified I ask. If I decide to vote for him it won't be just because of the quick topic comment.

Then let us have this disagreement pass least mrkajz44 gets some kind of weird host gratification from that exchange.

[GGG]

I think we to name our top townies and scum and really work this out.

Town
- pux
- diss
- Starseed
- oling - not host, concerned about turned
- Timbo for the first time ever I have him on a town list

Neutral
- HG had him as town early but lately slipping. If Squiggs were to flip his subtle defense of him would move him up the list
- MrKajz - I'm not convinced of the case being made against him. It seems to be based on linking him to other players rather than just himself. The two days of him and Starseed getting to lynch to me screens both town with scum happy with the results.
-

Scum
Squiggs - the stuff between oling and Seb has me convinced. He also brings up the alternatives to a GA lynch with scum killing Seb rather than the GA which I wouldn't think you would think of unless he was the GA or scum.

Bizaro - the unvote at the end doesn't make sense. In no way was it better to not lynch Devo. 2 days in a row with no lynch would be disastrous. Bizaro played a role in the no lynch day 4 and almost in day 5. He's also parking his vote are a very non contriversial person who hasn't had momentum to lynch.

Party - doesn't work with Bizaro above so these two are definately independant. But I've gone over this before

Peanut - there is always one lurker scum. It's her. Would be quite happy to lynch her based on this today. Then Agent checks oling, if oling lives we lynch Squiggs tomorrow. I think I'd be happy with this approach.

unvote
vote peanut

[GGG]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Wrong. You go back and see who the dead trusted and who they implicated. I'm looking at how easily the votes came off the neutrals and mrk and how they ended up on ECF.

My guess is Oling got the spore again. Whether he's infected or not remains to be seen.

I'm golfing now but will expand later tonight on all my thoughts.

This is the second post of day 3. Pushes the spore onto Oling early.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by SebC

Just to let you all know, my internet was down most of the weekend. Going to be out this evening as well (as mentioned in one of my first posts, Sundays/Mondays are my least active days).

I'm sorry I lead us down an incorrect path, there's really not a whole lot more I can say about that.

Here is Sebs day 3 first post. He had gone dark for a few days

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

Has Olings approach changed overnight?

Could he have been turned last night? His level of zeal is pretty high today more so than other days. The town had for the last few days accepted him as not turned.

Also why is HG being quiet today

I don't think my level of zeal has changed, I've been going after Squiggs96 for awhile now...yesterday I said I was going to only vote him for the rest of the game at one point!

But ignoring that, my level of zeal should have increased. SebC was turned. My whole argument, whether I was Host or Town, has been that Squiggs96 was protecting a turned SebC, and this goes back game days. If I'm town, I was either proven right or Squiggs96 was framed. Like you, I'm not sure framing Squiggs96 by killing a Turned works. If I'm host, the trap has been sprung for Squiggs96.

Originally Posted by GGG

I think we to name our top townies and scum and really work this out.

Town
- oling - not host, concerned about turned

Scum
Squiggs - the stuff between oling and Seb has me convinced. He also brings up the alternatives to a GA lynch with scum killing Seb rather than the GA which I wouldn't think you would think of unless he was the GA or scum.

Peanut - there is always one lurker scum. It's her. Would be quite happy to lynch her based on this today. Then Agent checks oling, if oling lives we lynch Squiggs tomorrow. I think I'd be happy with this approach.

unvote
vote peanut

You think I've been turned last night, enough to waste an investigation on me but are ignoring that my argument has been to lynch Squiggs96 for days and hasn't changed. So that's a bit weird to me.

It's especially weird that you're convinced Squiggs96 is host, I'm leading the charge against Squiggs96, and you still want me to be checked but don't want to see Squiggs96 reveal.

If we were to vote out Squiggs96 and he's town, by all means check me. Without being too much of a pessimist, if Squiggs96 is town and he's lynched today I think the game is pretty much over anyways because I'm likely getting lynched tomorrow. If Squiggs96 is host though, my last 2 actions would have been telling the GA to investigate SebC (last post yesterday) and killing a host (Squiggs96). That should buy me one night without being investigated and the Government Agent can actually spend time looking for the real turned.

To be honest, I'm a bit concerned that you're trying to determine the next 2 lynches (Peanut then Squiggs96) and the next Government Agent action.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

Neutral
- HG had him as town early but lately slipping. If Squiggs were to flip his subtle defense of him would move him up the list
- MrKajz - I'm not convinced of the case being made against him. It seems to be based on linking him to other players rather than just himself. The two days of him and Starseed getting to lynch to me screens both town with scum happy with the results.
-

Hmm, looks like you were going to list someone else as neutral but no one on your scum list made sense to drop down.

If you are town, I could see you moving Timbo up from Neutral to Town. If scum though, I could see you having Squiggs96 there (hence the unvote) but then decided having Squiggs96 as a neutral wouldn't look good if he does get revealed as host. It's just weird that you are "convinced" yet remove your vote from him.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

What goes against the squiggs theory is he refused to vote for ECF after his death post. Something makes me think squiggs is being set up by the scum here. I am not sure what to think of Oling at this point but I think this is the safest bet for the town as everytime he seems to be on the verge of being lynched there is a massive swing.

Vote:Mrkajz44

After he made his death post on the no-lynch day, three people unvoted for him to save him. Puxlut, Squiggs96 and you. I unvoted for him earlier, but could be added to that list.

So if you think the move was scum driven, and you weren't part of it, Squiggs96 and me are the suspects. I don't think it was scum driven, as I trust you. And while I don't trust Squiggs96, I think his plan was moving off, expecting Mrkajz44 to die regardless and then say how he changed his vote. The same way he argued that he wouldn't vote for ECF...while voting for mrkajz44. Or how he changed the votes yesterday, but the end result was a townie dieing.

SebC voted Mrkajz44. If he was Turned at the time, that means he didn't think Mrkajz44 was Host.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

And while I don't trust Squiggs96, I think his plan was moving off, expecting Mrkajz44 to die regardless and then say how he changed his vote. The same way he argued that he wouldn't vote for ECF...while voting for mrkajz44.

I gave my reasons why I moved off mrk at the time. I gave my reasons while doing it, not after. I believed his death post. I have also said it's my biggest regret in the game. My aim was to lynch starseed at that point. It was not to jump off the train right before it crashed, like how you did on Girly's lynch.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Or how he changed the votes yesterday, but the end result was a townie dieing.

Yes, the townie (devo) who you voted for, and pushed to have lynched, died.

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

SebC voted Mrkajz44. If he was Turned at the time, that means he didn't think Mrkajz44 was Host.

Seb voted for me on Day 5. That's where his vote stayed. By your logic, Seb did not think I was a host.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by squiggs96

Seb voted for me on Day 5. That's where his vote stayed. By your logic, Seb did not think I was a host.

No, by my logic SebC was trying to kill Mrkajz44 (potentially save Starseed) as the vote was a literal tie.

His vote for you was when Starseed had 7 votes. It wasn't trying to save or kill anyone, it looked like a throwaway vote to say "Look he voted for me, we can't be working together."

[starseed]

I'm pretty sure we have scum in squiggs. I just cannot see the practically weightless seb vote outweighing the clues against squiggs (link in the pux discrediting plan, the mrkaj is town mistake, and the deflecting from seb to oling thing. )

And for the record, I also had noticed the vague squiggs non-answers. Oling also hasn't abruptly changed his tune out of the blue here.

vote: squiggs96

[GirlySports]

Vote Count

With 12 alive, it takes 7 votes on any one player to hammer. It takes 4 votes to deadline lynch.

Hasn't Voted (2): Peanut, Hockeyguy15

squiggs96 (4): Oling_Roachinen, Party Elephant, mrkajz44, starseed
Party Elephant (2): Puxlut, bizaro86
mrkajz44 (2): dissentowner, Timbo
Oling_Roachinen (1): squiggs96
Peanut (1): GGG


The deadline is Thursday, June 25th at 10:00 PM Mountain Time.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Devo22 had Oling_Roachinen, starseed, Puxlut, GGG, Party Elephant and mrkajz44 vote for him (unvote by Bizaro86).

Given GGG's posts he believes that 4 townies jumped on Devo22 first. It makes sense for there to be a host in there, might as well jump on a townie lead townie lynch. If GGG knows he is town, and feels that me, Starseed and Puxlut are town (or were town) it makes sense to think that one of the next couple voters was host. He's also been going after Party Elephant relatively hard before the vote. I feel like he should be especially critical of Party Elephant right now given the circumstances.

He claims bizaro86 is parking his vote on someone uncontroversial who hasn't had traction to vote...but GGG could give the vote traction for the first time.

Originally Posted by Hockeyguy15

I'm leaning to host, but I don't think PE would be the one making the plans in the host thread. I also think it's more likely Mrkajz is a host, so that's why my vote is on him.

GGG also knows that Hockeyguy15 believes Party Elephant is host. If he had voted for Party Elephant, his top suspect, he could be anticipating a 4-4 vote tie, so saying that the vote for Party Elephant doesn't have traction is weird.

He's also "convinced" that Squiggs96 is scum, yet removes his vote from Squiggs96 and throws a single vote towards Peanut.

Something doesn't feel right here. I'm pretty sure GGG was town but I think he's been turned. I think he's protecting Party Elephant (and possibly squiggs96).

[GGG]

I've been trying to lynch party elephant on and off since day 1. And no one seems to want to go there. There are a consistent 3 votes i good get but no one else is interested.
Im comfortable voting anyone on my scum list off and won't be voting outside of those 4 today

I dont want to lose to oling again so we have two lunches left i would rather lynch squiggs 2nd and another suspect first.

I would like to see lists from everyone as well before the end of the game day.

I dont understand the turned argument against me because i disclosed my full list. If i was turned and wanted to protect Squiggs i wouldn't have voted for him and wouldn't have went to discredit olings logic of if the host killed seb then squiggs isnt guilty thought.

If Party is host and squiggs is town then my behaviour of expanding my list would make sense if I was turned. But i dont think its logical to have a scum squiggs and a turned Ggg.

[squiggs96]

My guess for the 3rd host is GGG.

If Devo was not killed by the captain, and there is someone turned, my guess is Peanut. She defended me on Day 5 and went after Oling. Today I've had to defend myself against Oling and I've made a point to show how he's voted out all townies. If I'm lynched I want to ensure that he is lynched next. I'm hoping fellow passengers believe me and we lunch him today before further damage is done. I would have thought Peanut would have been the first person to side with me. It's really really weird she pointed out an Oling error, wanted him gone and then says the Seb death is what changed her mind.

I think the GGG vote against Peanut is to separate himself from her.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by GGG

I've been trying to lynch party elephant on and off since day 1. And no one seems to want to go there. There are a consistent 3 votes i good get but no one else is interested.
Im comfortable voting anyone on my scum list off and won't be voting outside of those 4 today

I agree you have been going for Party Elephant for awhile. I also believe you were town. My concern is that today, when Party Elephant has 2 votes already, you didn't vote for him and instead sent a single vote to Peanut. You know Hockeyguy15 hasn't decided and you know he believes Party Elephant might be Host. If you turned last night, you may need to keep up the charade of being suspicious of Party Elephant but not actually get him lynched, voting for him this time would give him 3 votes, possibly 4 with Hockeyguy15 and a real possibility to be lynched.

Originally Posted by GGG

I dont understand the turned argument against me because i disclosed my full list. If i was turned and wanted to protect Squiggs i wouldn't have voted for him and wouldn't have went to discredit olings logic of if the host killed seb then squiggs isnt guilty thought.

My concern for you being turned is saying that you think Squiggs96 is scum, removing your vote, and not voting for your biggest target throughout the game in Party Elephant. I also have my suspicion of Peanut and Party Elephant though. I just think Squiggs96 is the more confirmed scum from my end, and you are more sure Party Elephant is scum on your end, and neither are voted for.

I am concerned that you want me investigated as well despite thinking I am telling the truth on Squiggs96. If you think Squiggs96 is scum, why not just lynch him? Let me prove my claim so we don't have to waste another investigation.

There could be as many as 5 scum. 3 hosts, 2 turn. We don't know how well they know one another but it's very possible we will need all 7 townies to vote together on this vote. As Puxlut's the only confirmed town for sure, we're going to need her input.

[Oling_Roachinen]

With 3 hosts and the potential of 2 turned, plus Squiggs96, Mrkajz44, Puxlut, Starseed, and myself having revealed not to be the Government Agent, although there could be some overlap with those name (*Cough Squiggs cough*), there's not many hiding places left for the Government Agent.

With the potential of 5 scum and 12 people (6 scum tomorrow and 11 townfolk if everything fails) we're potentially in a lynch or lose situation.

#### it, I say reveal. Let's get another confirmed townie on the board and watch the scum squirm. It's not like they can kill you if they target, it's only 1/4 chance.

There could be some fake reveals but that only gives us more information to work with.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by GGG

He's also parking his vote are a very non contriversial person who hasn't had momentum to lynch.

If you had voted party elephant in this post instead of switching to peanut (speaking of parking a vote on a non controversial person who doesn't have momentum ) it would have been 3 votes on squiggs and 3 votes on party, which is pretty good momentum on him, imo. Right now I think squiggs is a better choice than average, but not as good a choice as party, so I'd prefer to lynch party today.

[starseed]

Oling, I do not recall revealing my identity. As for having the other GA reveal, I think it depends on whether or not they have information that is useful. If it is only 'I investigated Oling twice' then I would say that is not enough. What about the scenario where you are host? (for the record, I think that is not very likely)

Originally Posted by bizaro86

If you had voted party elephant in this post instead of switching to peanut (speaking of parking a vote on a non controversial person who doesn't have momentum ) it would have been 3 votes on squiggs and 3 votes on party, which is pretty good momentum on him, imo. Right now I think squiggs is a better choice than average, but not as good a choice as party, so I'd prefer to lynch party today.

I am certainly not saying PE is a bad choice, but why him over Squiggs?

[starseed]

Also, not to defend GGG, but my list looks very similar to his right now. I just cannot see why squiggs isnt the obvious target here.

Last game Oling won by being an ahole who used long wordy posts to twist the words of the townies. Squiggs is claiming this is the case again. So, without using vague, long/wordy, ranty language, could squiggs summarize his position on the clues against him?