American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[DeluxeMoustache]

Haitian Bridge Alliance, a non profit, has brought charges against Trump and Vance

America is a very litigious society, I was wondering when this was going to happen

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybo...-false-claims/

An affidavit for private criminal charges can be filed by a citizen in Ohio and asks the court it was filed in to either issue arrest warrants or refer the matter to a prosecutor for investigation, according to Ohio law.

The charges stem from Vance and Trump continuously spreading false rumors about Haitian migrants stealing and eating pets in Springfield—despite city and state officials asking them to stop and saying there is no evidence of such claims.

The Alliance alleges Vance and Trump disrupted public service, made false alarms, committed telecommunications harassment, committed aggravating menacing and violated the complicity statute.

The Alliance is requesting the court issue arrest warrants for Trump and Vance based on probable cause, and the court must hold a hearing before rejecting the affidavit, according to Chandra Law Firm, which is representing the group.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Nice Theocracy they are building down there.

He does interviews so it is a wash. Nothing to worry about.

[octothorp]

On the subject of Project 2025...

I was reading an article today by a Project 2025 affiliated economist who was defending Trump's tariff plans, and I think it's a really good study in the sort of thought behind it. The article doesn't mention Project 2025, but it only makes sense when you think about it through that lens. (And blanket tariffs are one of two competing economic models proposed by Project 2025.)

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-trump/680015/

Everything here is presented through long-term focus: regardless of any short-term pain, the long-term benefit is that the manufacturing sector gets rebuilt. And my first thought was that this is nonsensical. Nobody is going to invest in building factories in America when the only thing keeping the factory viable is tariffs that will be broadly unpopular as they increase costs. Add to the fact that tariffs will increase costs for those businesses as well. What happens when you overinvest building a factory, a future government rolls back those tariffs, and suddenly you've overspent, you can't compete, and your assets are devalued?

So the only way to justify that is to hand-wave away all of the short-term pain. In his delayed book (The New Republic got their hands on a copy and what they say about it is chilling), the Project 2025 architect talks about how Americans should value producing as many children as possible over living within their means. There's a startling lack of care here. Overhaul the education system to produce more low-wage workers, leaving high-income career paths to the already wealthy. Costs of living go up, further making advanced education unattainable. Removing abortion access helps here, not just producing more children but to force young people away from being able to follow through on their own education. Remove democratic rights so that the government has decades in control it would need to implement this. Keep the focus on culture wars so that they aren't voting for their own self-interest. Destroy worker-rights and industry regulation. Eventually, you get a society full of low-education workers, and high unemployment. And now, finally, there's an actual incentive for investors to build factories, because they have a cheap, desperate workforce. This brutal, callous, long-term vision about reshaping American society is the only way you can make blanket tariffs make sense.

I know the way that people talk about Trump's economic plans is that he simply doesn't understand anything about economics. And he doesn't, but he has advisers that do, and they have reasons for advocating for tariffs, in which the harm that they cause is not only justified but useful.

[activeStick]

Yikes, I saw a video of Governor Shapiro autographing bombs for a photo op, similar to Nikki Haley and Lindsey Graham signing bombs a number of months ago. How do leaders think this is a good idea? If you want to show support for the war, fine, but probably much better ways to do this?

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Yikes, I saw a video of Governor Shapiro autographing bombs for a photo op, similar to Nikki Haley and Lindsey Graham signing bombs a number of months ago. How do leaders think this is a good idea? If you want to show support for the war, fine, but probably much better ways to do this?

Once again showing that Kamala choosing Walz as her running mate was a wise decision.

Originally Posted by octothorp

On the subject of Project 2025...

I was reading an article today by a Project 2025 affiliated economist who was defending Trump's tariff plans, and I think it's a really good study in the sort of thought behind it. The article doesn't mention Project 2025, but it only makes sense when you think about it through that lens. (And blanket tariffs are one of two competing economic models proposed by Project 2025.)

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-trump/680015/

Everything here is presented through long-term focus: regardless of any short-term pain, the long-term benefit is that the manufacturing sector gets rebuilt. And my first thought was that this is nonsensical. Nobody is going to invest in building factories in America when the only thing keeping the factory viable is tariffs that will be broadly unpopular as they increase costs. Add to the fact that tariffs will increase costs for those businesses as well. What happens when you overinvest building a factory, a future government rolls back those tariffs, and suddenly you've overspent, you can't compete, and your assets are devalued?

So the only way to justify that is to hand-wave away all of the short-term pain. In his delayed book (The New Republic got their hands on a copy and what they say about it is chilling), the Project 2025 architect talks about how Americans should value producing as many children as possible over living within their means. There's a startling lack of care here. Overhaul the education system to produce more low-wage workers, leaving high-income career paths to the already wealthy. Costs of living go up, further making advanced education unattainable. Removing abortion access helps here, not just producing more children but to force young people away from being able to follow through on their own education. Remove democratic rights so that the government has decades in control it would need to implement this. Keep the focus on culture wars so that they aren't voting for their own self-interest. Destroy worker-rights and industry regulation. Eventually, you get a society full of low-education workers, and high unemployment. And now, finally, there's an actual incentive for investors to build factories, because they have a cheap, desperate workforce. This brutal, callous, long-term vision about reshaping American society is the only way you can make blanket tariffs make sense.

I know the way that people talk about Trump's economic plans is that he simply doesn't understand anything about economics. And he doesn't, but he has advisers that do, and they have reasons for advocating for tariffs, in which the harm that they cause is not only justified but useful.

Yup. What these MAGA extremists want is full blown social darwinism, and they want to lock it in permanently.

[marsplasticeraser]

Originally Posted by octothorp

On the subject of Project 2025...

I was reading an article today by a Project 2025 affiliated economist who was defending Trump's tariff plans, and I think it's a really good study in the sort of thought behind it. The article doesn't mention Project 2025, but it only makes sense when you think about it through that lens. (And blanket tariffs are one of two competing economic models proposed by Project 2025.)

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-trump/680015/

Everything here is presented through long-term focus: regardless of any short-term pain, the long-term benefit is that the manufacturing sector gets rebuilt. And my first thought was that this is nonsensical. Nobody is going to invest in building factories in America when the only thing keeping the factory viable is tariffs that will be broadly unpopular as they increase costs. Add to the fact that tariffs will increase costs for those businesses as well. What happens when you overinvest building a factory, a future government rolls back those tariffs, and suddenly you've overspent, you can't compete, and your assets are devalued?

So the only way to justify that is to hand-wave away all of the short-term pain. In his delayed book (The New Republic got their hands on a copy and what they say about it is chilling), the Project 2025 architect talks about how Americans should value producing as many children as possible over living within their means. There's a startling lack of care here. Overhaul the education system to produce more low-wage workers, leaving high-income career paths to the already wealthy. Costs of living go up, further making advanced education unattainable. Removing abortion access helps here, not just producing more children but to force young people away from being able to follow through on their own education. Remove democratic rights so that the government has decades in control it would need to implement this. Keep the focus on culture wars so that they aren't voting for their own self-interest. Destroy worker-rights and industry regulation. Eventually, you get a society full of low-education workers, and high unemployment. And now, finally, there's an actual incentive for investors to build factories, because they have a cheap, desperate workforce. This brutal, callous, long-term vision about reshaping American society is the only way you can make blanket tariffs make sense.

I know the way that people talk about Trump's economic plans is that he simply doesn't understand anything about economics. And he doesn't, but he has advisers that do, and they have reasons for advocating for tariffs, in which the harm that they cause is not only justified but useful.

I like the way you laid this out, and hadn’t thought that likely tariffs lead to people just paying tariffs as nobody is going to build infrastructure when this gets rolled back as the population riots that the cost of jeans and tv’s doubled!

My only question is why do these dudes want to turn the USA into a developing country? Like what’s in it for them, or do they assume they’ll be ok and the rich will go on being rich.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Haitian Bridge Alliance, a non profit, has brought charges against Trump and Vance

America is a very litigious society, I was wondering when this was going to happen

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mollybo...-false-claims/

Imagine being held responsible for what you say....

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by marsplasticeraser

I like the way you laid this out, and hadn’t thought that likely tariffs lead to people just paying tariffs as nobody is going to build infrastructure when this gets rolled back as the population riots that the cost of jeans and tv’s doubled!

My only question is why do these dudes want to turn the USA into a developing country? Like what’s in it for them, or do they assume they’ll be ok and the rich will go on being rich.

Control. People that are poor and afraid are easier to control than ones that are not. Keep the people focused on something other than your power and you will retain the power. Nothing else matters to republicans other than control and power.

[CliffFletcher]

Only 4 per cent of Americans have a favourable view of Project 2025, while 55 per cent have a negative view.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...nge-rcna171308

It’s the kind of extremely unpopular stuff coming out of the Republican camp that Democrats can make electoral hay with.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

Control. People that are poor and afraid are easier to control than ones that are not. Keep the people focused on something other than your power and you will retain the power. Nothing else matters to republicans other than control and power.

Yeah, and control extends to economics here as well. If you keep a large number of people living paycheque-to-paycheque, then they aren't saving any money. The money entering the economy doesn't necessarily decrease: people still need to spend on necessities, those necessities go up in cost (either because of tariffs, or because they're American-made products that are now priced just below the foreign competition). More of that money that is spent stays in the US. So all of that isn't bad for those who are already wealthy, provided they don't collapse the entire economy on the way. (And even if the economy does collapse, that likely leads to more government spending, and those with wealth and power will have no problems being front-and-center for the government investment.)

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Only 4 per cent of Americans have a favourable view of Project 2025, while 55 per cent have a negative view.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...nge-rcna171308

It’s the kind of extremely unpopular stuff coming out of the Republican camp that Democrats can make electoral hay with.

Imagine being in that 4%.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

Missouri just executed an innocent man

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ellus-williams



Prosecutor, victim's family, and trial jurors all asked for the execution to be stayed, which was signed off by a judge. Overruled by the AG, because republicans have a hard-on for human suffering I guess

Very nice that the 6 "pro-life" judges on the Supreme Court refused a stay of execution on a man who was very likely innocent.

[troutman]

All of Rubin's cards were marked in advance
The trial was a pig-circus, he never had a chance
The judge made Rubin's witnesses drunkards from the slums
To the white folks who watched, he was a revolutionary bum
And for the black folks he was just a crazy ######
No one doubted that he pulled the trigger
And though they could not produce the gun
The D.A. said he was the one who did the deed
And the all-white jury agreed
Rubin Carter was falsely tried
The crime was murder one, guess who testified?
Bello and Bradley and they both baldly lied
And the newspapers, they all went along for the ride
How can the life of such a man
Be in the palm of some fool's hand?
To see him obviously framed
Couldn't help but make me feel ashamed to live in a land
Where justice is a game

[Dion]

'Rotten': GOP rep Clay Higgins slammed over 'vile' post calling Haiti 'nastiest country in the western hemisphere

https://twitter.com/user/status/1839013044598550915

[KootenayFlamesFan]

In a normal world he would have been sent packing already.

But this is today's GOP. Racism, bigotry, lying........it's all very welcomed. It's out in the open and embraced by the party and it's supporters.

GOP...........Gross Ole Party.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Dion

'Rotten': GOP rep Clay Higgins slammed over 'vile' post calling Haiti 'nastiest country in the western hemisphere

https://twitter.com/user/status/1839013044598550915

dumb wanker can't even spell voodoo right either, can we call him the thickest bunt in congress?

[puffnstuff]

Higgins remarks after he took it down are quite the read too...

...Higgins told CNN he did not regret his demeaning comments.
“It’s all true,” Higgins said. “I can put up another controversial post tomorrow if you want me to. I mean, we do have freedom of speech. I’ll say what I want.”

Digging in, Higgins continued “It’s not a big deal to me. It’s like something stuck to the bottom of my boot. Just scrape it off and move on with my life.”

[calgarygeologist]

Interesting reporting is coming out right now that New York Mayor, Adams, has been indicted on federal charges.

[puffnstuff]

Indictment is sealed. Wonder what he did. Lots of fed investigations around the mayor and the police brass going on.

And just wondering if any of the 'HaRRiS doesnt do interviews, she doesnt talk about her plans' clowns will actually watch what I just caught, highlights of her interview with Stephanie Ruhle. It was excellent. Clear and concise, smart and engaging, factual and informative.
Quite the difference with her clown face **** gibbon opponent who cant articulate a clear answer to any question he gets asked.

[Ozy_Flame]

Took money from multiple countries.