Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[2ArmBands]

Originally Posted by troutman

The Trudeau blackface thing is so tired. Yes, it was ignorant (and he apologized) but no way Justin really believes whites are a superior race. PP on the other hand plays with actual racists (no apologies).

Don't act like if PP did it you wouldn't be all over it. You know you all would be.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

I'm assuming Seawaymax vessels are not large enough for it to make sense to just terminate in Thunder Bay? There are probably other reasons you couldn't do that? I dunno.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

Don't act like if PP did it you wouldn't be all over it. You know you all would be.

And we were all over Trudeau doing it after it was found out. It's over, it's dead. Let it go, for the love of Xenu.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Yamer

And we were all over Trudeau doing it after it was found out. It's over, it's dead. Let it go, for the love of Xenu.

Imagine the 20-year old idiocy of the resigned PM taking that much space in your head that you still talk about it every two days.

Embarrassing.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm assuming Seawaymax vessels are not large enough for it to make sense to just terminate in Thunder Bay? There are probably other reasons you couldn't do that? I dunno.

I think you'd run into capacity issues pretty quick. Barnaby runs an average of 34 tankers a month. No idea the capacity on the seaway. But I just can't imagine the potential for spills would let it ever happen. Too much area and people impacted.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

Don't act like if PP did it you wouldn't be all over it. You know you all would be.

Tell us - do you think Trudeau is an actual racist? With examples, please show us the evidence aside from that single, ancient, incident.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 2ArmBands

The article is an assessment of inflation not overall economic impact. These are different things.

Inflation was the economic impact the right said would happen.

But sure, show me the other economic impacts which are negative as a result of the carbon tax.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Yeah the spill issue is also a good point.

I can just imagine that it would be easier to put facilities there where there is already a town than somewhere like Moosonee where there isn't (it's like 15km away from the actual water based on what I can see), not to mention the limited road infrastructure currently there whereas Thunder Bay is on the TCH. You're basically talking about building a whole new town and highway to get to it in addition to the actual pipeline infrastructure and port.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I think this avoids a lot of the more challenging terrain in Manitoba, and provides better access to Ontario. If we want energy independence AND export options, this makes more sense than Churchill. We also make Ontario the big finance partner here, which has a lot more resources than Manitoba. Obviously a huge amount of money, but we'll just make Quebec pay for it.

What you may not have taken into consideration is the treaty 9 FNs for your proposal. They appear to be significant opposition towards meaningful development projects.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Yeah the spill issue is also a good point.

I can just imagine that it would be easier to put facilities there where there is already a town than somewhere like Moosonee where there isn't (it's like 15km away from the actual water based on what I can see), not to mention the limited road infrastructure currently there whereas Thunder Bay is on the TCH. You're basically talking about building a whole new town and highway to get to it in addition to the actual pipeline infrastructure and port.

Well ya, it's gonna be a massive project. I see this as the last major thing we would need to do regarding O&G in Canada. But having a rail line makes it so much easier to access. Yes, it would need a road too but you build that with the pipeline.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

What you may not have taken into consideration is the treaty 9 FNs for your proposal. They appear to be significant opposition towards meaningful development projects.

Maybe they should actually be made partners in the process as opposed to an afterthought forced consultation.

[Ashasx]

nvm

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Maybe they should actually be made partners in the process as opposed to an afterthought forced consultation.

Sure, no doubt they should be partners but what I'm getting at is they have little to no interest in development and would very likely be in opposition to any plan.

https://thenarwhal.ca/mushkegowuk-ja...-conservation/

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

I'm assuming Seawaymax vessels are not large enough for it to make sense to just terminate in Thunder Bay? There are probably other reasons you couldn't do that? I dunno.

I believe the great lakes are generally closed to shipping for some portion of the winter every year? That makes it sort of tough to build a supply chain because you need a backup method as well, so then you have costs for both methods of egress.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by bizaro86

I believe the great lakes are generally closed to shipping for some portion of the winter every year? That makes it sort of tough to build a supply chain because you need a backup method as well, so then you have costs for both methods of egress.

Also at the best of times it takes more than a week to go through the Seaway from the western parts of Lake Superior, with a pretty low max capacity limit for a Seawaymax tanker, you'd be facing storage issues at Thunder Bay really quick even with a very small pipeline because there just aren't enough ships to do that. Plus the more you try to sail, the longer the travel time (and concerns from both Canadian and American companies shipping other products as a result of the increased backlog).



Factor in that you're paying a lot in tolls to use the Seaway for a relatively small amount of oil, you'd be better off trying to get oil-by-rail to the East coast beyond the Seaway to a similar size tanker (less travel time, less tolls), much less a larger one.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I suggest you actually look at what the studies have shown about the effects of the carbon tax. It's done more than any other effort to reduce emissions and has little to no effect on the economy.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-024-48512-w

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/car...tudy-1.7408728

You do realize that the rebate for small businesses wasn't paid back for years, and even now hasn't been fully rebated?

How exactly should a small business absorb that extra cost without passing it on?

Your fancy studies don't account for the bungle of a mess that the Liberals made in implementing the program.

Yes, if everything is managed properly, the carbon tax can be a straight across driver in reducing emissions, but not if they don't actually pay back what they said they would. Then its just a tax that = higher costs that are just being passed on.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Roughneck

Factor in that you're paying a lot in tolls to use the Seaway for a relatively small amount of oil, you'd be better off trying to get oil-by-rail to the East coast beyond the Seaway to a similar size tanker (less travel time, less tolls), much less a larger one.

Yup. Makes all the sense.

I guess another option is going all the way to Quebec City or thereabouts, maybe that would lead to QC getting more out of the whole deal and they'd be more amenable to the whole thing.

[Firebot]

Trudeau's last few days as PM are closing in. As shortsighted as many of his domestic policies were and how he alienated most of the country where he absolutely had to go, he's usually looked out for what he felt was ideologically the best for Canada (corruption scandals and foreign interference notwithstanding).

His defense of Canada at the time it was most needed against Trump and tariffs and the threat of annexation I think has been his knight of shining armor moment and Trudeau at his absolute best, and considering what transpired in recent months with the full blown mutiny where no one stood for him, I applaud what he has done since while his own party abandoned him once Trump took over.

While Trump may have single handedly caused Canada to unite against America, Canada needed a voice to defend itself to fight back and we got it with Trudeau. Trudeau staunchly defending Canada in a moment of crisis when no other countries where standing up for Canada was the turning point and polls now show they would rather have Carney / Freeland / even Trudeau over Poilievre to fight against Trump (who has been a major disappointment in recent months not properly reading the major shift in sentiment and may have cost himself the election).

Saying this is as one of his biggest critics, thank you Trudeau for standing up for Canada and serving your country.

[iggy_oi]

Looks like firebot got into the sauce a little early today. I mean no sober person would say that Pierre has been a disappointment only in recent months.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Firebot

Trudeau's last few days as PM are closing in. As shortsighted as many of his domestic policies were and how he alienated most of the country where he absolutely had to go, he's usually looked out for what he felt was ideologically the best for Canada (corruption scandals and foreign interference notwithstanding).

His defense of Canada at the time it was most needed against Trump and tariffs and the threat of annexation I think has been his knight of shining armor moment and Trudeau at his absolute best, and considering what transpired in recent months with the full blown mutiny where no one stood for him, I applaud what he has done since while his own party abandoned him once Trump took over.

While Trump may have single handedly caused Canada to unite against America, Canada needed a voice to defend itself to fight back and we got it with Trudeau. Trudeau staunchly defending Canada in a moment of crisis when no other countries where standing up for Canada was the turning point and polls now show they would rather have Carney / Freeland / even Trudeau over Poilievre to fight against Trump (who has been a major disappointment in recent months not properly reading the major shift in sentiment and may have cost himself the election).

Saying this is as one of his biggest critics, thank you Trudeau for standing up for Canada and serving your country.

Yup, this is how I feel as well.

No politics, no nothing. Just straight to the point this is what we're doing.

I think the guy's policies are a total disaster on so many other fronts, and he left Canada is a pretty ####ty situation, but he sure played his cards right here.

We should consider making him Canadian ambassador to the US just to troll Trump.