[Rumour] Chris Johnston: Lindholm is interested in staying

[Nelson]

I don’t think it’s up for debate that the Flames have accomplished very little. I also don’t think the word rebuild is helpful. What the Flames really need to do is commit themselves to drafting lots and well for an extended period of time. Stop the short-sighted management. Stop trading away draft picks at the deadline for veteran depth to try to make the playoffs or go on a run. Stop trading away high draft picks for older players to fill holes in the off-season.

I think Conroy wants to do this, and so far he’s shown the patience to build something.

Lindholm could be part of that too because he could give draft picks time to develop. I just don’t like the idea of having so much money tied up in older players when the team has accomplished nothing.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I don’t think it’s up for debate that the Flames have accomplished very little. I also don’t think the word rebuild is helpful. What the Flames really need to do is commit themselves to drafting lots and well for an extended period of time. Stop the short-sighted management. Stop trading away draft picks at the deadline for veteran depth to try to make the playoffs or go on a run. Stop trading away high draft picks for older players to fill holes in the off-season.

Well the good news is that Conroy has spoken numerous times about the value of picks and wants more picks

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I don’t think it’s up for debate that the Flames have accomplished very little. I also don’t think the word rebuild is helpful. What the Flames really need to do is commit themselves to drafting lots and well for an extended period of time. Stop the short-sighted management. Stop trading away draft picks for veteran depth to try to make the playoffs or go on a run.

No argument here.

I think it’s fine for the Flames to continue to try and compete but it’s critical to develop that next wave of players. The moves they are about to make, Hanifin, Backlund,Tanev (I think) should be made to get some draft capital, or prospects.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well the good news is that Conroy has spoken numerous times about the value of picks and wants more picks

Yes, I agree. I edited my post to say that I feel positive about Conroy so far.

[CF84]

Originally Posted by Spurs

I am not here to convince people, unlike posters like you that try to act like forum police I have no problem with people expressing their views. If you want to be positive go ahead.

It is fake positives when you want people to change their views, not because of what happened but because of some stupid view that everyone should be "positive."

Again people aren't negative for the sake of being negative they are negative because of the reality of where this team is. Most of the fans that cry about it even agree with the sentiments the difference is what people feel about the club attempting to maintain mediocrity, some are fine with it some aren't. If we are on the not fine with it there is no reason to ignore that just to make people like you happy.

I'm curious. Are the Flames your favorite NHL team? Would you like to see the Flames holding up the Stanley Cup above all other teams?

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by CF84

I'm curious. Are the Flames your favorite NHL team? Would you like to see the Flames holding up the Stanley Cup above all other teams?

Ok listen, I'm not the only person sick and tired of the abstolutely asinine partisan politics that divide this forum between Team Positive and Team Negative. Aligning with either "side" and trumpeting its virtues in EVERY SINGLE THREAD over and over is tiresome and awful. From both ends. Everyone fighting this war sucks.

People who read this forum and spend their precious few hours on this earth writing, thinking about, and opining about this team care. We're united by a stupid game for kids that means nothing, represents nothing, and has no value to anyone besides the players who make millions of dollars a year to do it for us to specate before we all wither to dust and return to the loam.

The only import the Calgary Flames will ever have on any of our lives is what we give them. The end.

[topfiverecords]

Don’t forget about those of us on Team Neutral.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

Don’t forget about those of us on Team Neutral.

You guys are the true heroes of this story, and don't let anyone take that away from you.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

No backing trucks up.

Hold the course.

There are clearly some terrible negotiators here who have wilted and caved out of uncertainty a few too many times. Absolutely no reason for panic with a full year ahead and a month of negotiating to be had before puck drop.

I am sure glad Conroy isn't saying "gah I can't take the tension! Just give him whatever he wants for max term!" with this much runway ahead of them to work out the best solution. That would be embarrassing.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

No backing trucks up.

Hold the course.

There are clearly some terrible negotiators here who have wilted and caved out of uncertainty a few too many times. Absolutely no reason for panic with a full year ahead and a month of negotiating to be had before puck drop.

I am sure glad Conroy isn't saying "gah I can't take the tension! Just give him whatever he wants for max term!" with this much runway ahead of them to work out the best solution. That would be embarrassing.

Can we acknowlege that while you do have some controversial/unpopular opinions, you also make meaningul contributions like this one? I appreciate when people say things that are potentially misguided, but also have takes founded on genuine curiosity and make efforts to question things.

Like, people also hated on TheScorp before he became TheScorp. Can we consider chilling out on this guy?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Well the least I can do for my awful momentary lapses in judgment is follow them up with a banger or two, and hopefully at the end of day its a net..not so negative.

When there's no escaping something you've said because a few folks won't let it down, I guess you just have to roll with the punches and lean into it the best way you can.

I made the WoS, so I should expect the favour returned anyways.

But it's good to know that my affinity for the Flames outweighs the need for the approval/blessing of some random blokes whose favorite past times is putting goat horns on others and poking holes in logic, otherwise I'd have been gonzo by now.

At the same time a forum needs posters willing to go out on a limb to liven up the place. You need steel balls around here to throw out anything that will set off alarms from the resident virtue signalers, but I think becoming progressively desensitized to the ritual shamings from the same few posters will probably lead to me just no longer caring.

And maybe that's a good thing for those who enjoy the contributions.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by TrentCrimmIndependent

There are clearly some terrible negotiators here who have wilted and caved out of uncertainty a few too many times. Absolutely no reason for panic with a full year ahead and a month of negotiating to be had before puck drop.

Definitely this.

I get the feeling that some fans are just high on their own impatience and think that if everything isn't happening now now NOW!!! then nothing is happening at all. Instant results or the people in charge are idiots.

In fact, very little is happening anywhere in the league at present, because everyone's busy preparing for training camp. It doesn't really matter a rat's arse if a particular contract extension gets done now or on opening day of the regular season. Some fans don't like this: well, it is the business of the NHL to entertain the fans with hockey during the season, not to feed them news stories during the off-season. At present, the only rational thing to do is wait and see.

This isn't Netflix. You can't binge-watch the future.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

No argument here.

I think it’s fine for the Flames to continue to try and compete but it’s critical to develop that next wave of players. The moves they are about to make, Hanifin, Backlund,Tanev (I think) should be made to get some draft capital, or prospects.

They'll need to wait until the trade deadline then if they won't take cap back and want draft picks/prospects instead.

Teams will cap space aren't likely giving up draft picks etc.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Spurs

It changes the direction of the team just as much as the fake positivity does.

People aren't being negative for the sake of it they are just pointing out realities. Why should be create false narratives to pump up a bogus situation while ignoring the truth? That doesn't do any good at all.

Wow ...

fake positivity
realities
false narratives
bogus situation
ignoring truth

You are certainly welcome to your opinion, but do you see your bias? Your views are realities and truths. Other views are fake, false, and ignoring truth.

Bad way to come at a discussion in my mind.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

They'll need to wait until the trade deadline then if they won't take cap back and want draft picks/prospects instead.

Teams will cap space aren't likely giving up draft picks etc.

Yes, I would imagine cap coming back as well. Specifically for Hanifin.

Point being, the Flames should try to start acquiring picks, similar to the Toffoli deal. Making moves for picks only is probably going to be a tough sell at this point. That may change by the deadline.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Well the good news is that Conroy has spoken numerous times about the value of picks and wants more picks

And that little nugget about Iginla asking "what is too many picks"

Reaching for sure, but hoping that means a futures build up.

[Goriders]

I think what the Flames need to do is win a lot more games than they lose.

That seems to get lost in the shuffle.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bingo

And that little nugget about Iginla asking "what is too many picks"

Reaching for sure, but hoping that means a futures build up.

Didn't Conroy mockingly say 15 was the magic number.

It's actually an interesting discussion. You could have the best scouts in the league, but if the development plan is lacking, and there isn't enough opportunity then prospects will stall and fail despite having all the raw talent.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Didn't Conroy mockingly say 15 was the magic number.

It's actually an interesting discussion. You could have the best scouts in the league, but if the development plan is lacking, and there isn't enough opportunity then prospects will stall and fail despite having all the raw talent.

I don't think there is a ton of evidence that development has been an issue. I will agree that in particular, last year, it seems like there was reluctance to play young players at the NHL level, but there are also not a ton knocking on the door passed the obvious top group. And I think that's primarily driven by the lack of picks, including top round picks. All things hopefully now to be corrected under new leadership.

[Erick Estrada]

I just hope that if they get a deal done here that Conroy doesn't cave in and pay Lindholm more than market value. I think he's going to be a useful player well into his 30's but I'm no fan of him getting an 8 x $9 style of contract as I just think the team will have far too much cap money tied up into three 30 year old forwards which will hurt team building flexibility in 2-3 years time.