2016/2017 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[Machiavelli]

Komarov has value. You're not going to get him for a bunch of garbage

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I think the Flames go after Leo Komarov. Something like Wideman + Chiasson + 3rd for him.

Terrible for Toronto - two washed up guys who are nearing the end of the line for their super pest who plays heavy defensive minutes doesn't seem like a logical trade for the ML's.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Terrible for Toronto - two washed up guys who are nearing the end of the line for their super pest who plays heavy defensive minutes doesn't seem like a logical trade for the ML's.

Then swap out Wideman for Bartkowski and Chiasson for Brouwer.

Komarov for Brouwer + Bartkowski.

I'd do it...

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Rumoured asking price from Colorado is 3-4 quality pieces, with interest in defensive prospects and possibly a goalie prospect.

With that in mind, I wonder if something heavy on the picks would draw interest?

2017 1st round pick
2017 2nd round pick
2018 2nd round pick
Oliver Kylington or rights to Adam Fox
Lance Bouma (cap)

I don't think that will cut it. I heard through the grapevine ( not an overheard phone conversation) that the Islanders inquired and where told Hamonic + Barzal, + Dal Colle + 2017 1st was the price for Duchene. Like I said, I don't think either guy moves.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Rumoured asking price from Colorado is 3-4 quality pieces, with interest in defensive prospects and possibly a goalie prospect.

With that in mind, I wonder if something heavy on the picks would draw interest?

2017 1st round pick
2017 2nd round pick
2018 2nd round pick
Oliver Kylington or rights to Adam Fox
Lance Bouma (cap)

That's probably what it takes but honestly that cripples Calgary's ability to actually improve the roster when they need it most.

That would leave the team with their only picks next year being in the 3rd, 6th and 7th rounds. That's where an organization should be around the first or second time they contend for a spot in the conference finals, not when they threaten to finish in 10th overall in the west.

If the Flames think Brodie is having more than an off year he probably makes the most sense to use as a chip for a top line forward.

I honestly don't see how it can work without somewhat cutting the franchise, but I think Friedman is probably pretty confident in that rumour based not on what Treliving is telling him, but from what other GMs around the league are saying he's asked about. It makes sense, the wing is the worst organizational position for the franchise. It was a major problem going into the season and it's been a problem all season long, there's just no push back or finish from the top line and that has to change.

Without a contract I could see Treliving going all in on making the playoffs this year knowing he may not be back after this year.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think that will cut it. I heard through the grapevine ( not an overheard phone conversation) that the Islanders inquired and where told Hamonic + Barzal, + Dal Colle + 2017 1st was the price for Duchene. Like I said, I don't think either guy moves.

Yeah, did an edit to change the '18 2nd to the '18 1st, but wonder if Colorado really is after an on-roster young d-man. Thing is...no contending team is going to give up an on-roster young d-man. It'll be interesting to see where the two Colorado players end up.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Rumoured asking price from Colorado is 3-4 quality pieces, with interest in defensive prospects and possibly a goalie prospect.

With that in mind, I wonder if something heavy on the picks would draw interest? I'd part with the 1st in '17 + 1st in '18 ++ in a package for Landeskog.

That's what I was thinking. Looking at our core Landy makes a load of sense. I have no problem with trading next years first rounder and could be swayed to include the year afters if the other players involved weren't key peices of the Flames presently. I really don't see how the Avs think they will get A top young Dman for Landy or even the multiple nice peices they want for him. He's been a very good player but his play this year has been awful and has regressed in every area. No way am I giving up a top line young NHL Dman for him whose on a sweetheart deal. Kylington 2 firsts and a second would be my max and I think giving up that second first is very risky but could be worth it.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Then swap out Wideman for Bartkowski and Chiasson for Brouwer.

Komarov for Brouwer + Bartkowski.

I'd do it...

The Leafs are in a great spot going into next year capwise. They are not gonna take our newly acquired anchor in Brouwer and could have had Bart as easily as we got him.

Komarov is costing them 1.8 mill and providing them with countless intagibles to go along with a stat card that is more impressive than Brouwer's this year. No way does Toronto do that trade.

They need an experienced D who isn't a liability and is a house hold name, that's their biggest need - their forwards this year have been stellar and I can't see them making any major changes in terms of bodies going out via the trade route - they will lean on a pretty impressive prospect collection and picks in order to get their needs and if it's not enough I'm sure they are content to push for the playoffs with what they have and make the major changes in the off-season.

In short - Toronto laughs at Brouwer + Bart + 3rd for Komarov and hangs up the phone.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

That's probably what it takes but honestly that cripples Calgary's ability to actually improve the roster when they need it most.

That would leave the team with their only picks next year being in the 3rd, 6th and 7th rounds. That's where an organization should be around the first or second time they contend for a spot in the conference finals, not when they threaten to finish in 10th overall in the west.

I disagree. I look at LA prior to the Carter/Richards deals. I think we're entering that stage of the rebuild where we're now focusing in on specific positions and trading is more likely to address those spots rather than drafting in the middle of the pack. We've got a number of decent prospects developing that may still be a few years away that can come in to compliment an already annual playoff threat, but I think the time is now to push the team into being that threat by spending future assets.

If it's not Landeskog, I still wouldn't be surprised if we do land a winger of some significance that can be here for a few years. Paying a big price for a good piece that will be here for some time makes more sense to me than targeting someone like Vrbata etc.

[Heavy Jack]

If we trade a 1st make it this years - we are a bubble team for sure and outside of the top 10, even top 5 this draft is apparently the weakest in a long time.

[Calgary4LIfe]

I don't think that Treliving would want to remove any significant pieces off the roster in trying to get Landeskog, and I will assume that the Avs have no interest in anything else on the Flames roster - outside of taking back a bit of cap so the Flames would be able to fit him in.

If I was Sakic, I would be asking for:

Kylington + Andersson + Gillies. Maybe even a first on top of that.

It would destroy the defensive depth for the future - leaving Hickey and Fox (and Wowkovsky) as 'better than a dime a dozen' type of defensive prospects organizationally. I love what Landeskog could bring. Tough one to stomach though, as I believe that at least one of Kylington or Andersson will end up being a really good cog for the team moving forward, and nicely cost controlled to boot. Not sure I would pull the trigger on that, but Landeskog would look great in a Flames jersey.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

If we trade a 1st make it this years - we are a bubble team for sure and outside of the top 10, even top 5 this draft is apparently the weakest in a long time.

Agreed, problem is everyone knows it's a weak draft

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

If I was Sakic, I would be asking for:

Kylington + Andersson + Gillies. Maybe even a first on top of that.

I have a feeling the Avs would want at least one proven NHL player for Landeskog

[spennywalks]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Then swap out Wideman for Bartkowski and Chiasson for Brouwer.

Komarov for Brouwer + Bartkowski.

I'd do it...

this isnt NHL 17...

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I don't think that will cut it. I heard through the grapevine ( not an overheard phone conversation) that the Islanders inquired and where told Hamonic + Barzal, + Dal Colle + 2017 1st was the price for Duchene. Like I said, I don't think either guy moves.

They want that much for either or just Duchene? That's a ridiculous ask and the Flames should stay far away from it if that's the type of trade the Avs want for Landy as well. The Avs can cut it any way they want to but Landy and Duchene have both contributed to the Avs being complete garbage and have underachieved since making the playoffs 4 years ago.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I disagree. I look at LA prior to the Carter/Richards deals. I think we're entering that stage of the rebuild where we're now focusing in on specific positions and trading is more likely to address those spots rather than drafting in the middle of the pack. We've got a number of decent prospects developing that may still be a few years away that can come in to compliment an already annual playoff threat, but I think the time is now to push the team into being that threat by spending future assets.

If it's not Landeskog, I still wouldn't be surprised if we do land a winger of some significance that can be here for a few years. Paying a big price for a good piece that will be here for some time makes more sense to me than targeting someone like Vrbata etc.

See, i dont think the flames are even close to that.

The flyers moved brayden schenn AAND wayne simmonds AND a 2nd round pick for richards. For the Flames that would be the equivalent of moving Bennett AND tkachuk.

That is an embarrassment of riches if you can move those two players out and still have Anze Kopitar and Drew Doughty on the roster.

Flames aren't even close to that because they've never prioritized accumulating draft picks the way the Kings have. Simmonds was their third pick in the draft, their second 2nd round selection.

[Ozy_Flame]

Wideman and a 4th for Laich and Corrado.

Toronto gets a PP specialist on an expiring contract to take into the playoffs. Toronto gets rid of two problem children with one of them (Corrado) pushing for a spot next year.

The end.

[Beninho]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Wideman and a 4th for Laich and Corrado.

Toronto gets a PP specialist on an expiring contract to take into the playoffs. Toronto gets rid of two problem children with one of them (Corrado) pushing for a spot next year.

The end.

And we get to laugh at Wideman sucking on the leafs. This would be good, but won't happen. I would be shocked if the Flames could get rid of Wideman and would resign Tre ASAP if he got any real value.

[Heavy Jack]

For Landeskog the ask starts with Brodie if we are being honest and then includes one of Janko/Andersson/Kylinton and a 1st round pick with probably Bouma added to make the roster work for us.

I'd choose to let Andersson go even though I think he has the greatest chance of the 3 of being a full time NHLer I just think the other two have a higher ceiling if they work out.

So with that said are we comfortable moving forward with a D that looks like:

Giordano - Hamilton
Jokipakka - Stone
Kulak - Engelland
Kylington

I think the Flames covet Brodie right now more than they would Landeskog and IMO makes considering him not even worth the time.

[TheScorpion]

I like Jyrki Jokipakka more than a lot of people and I think he has a lot of potential but I'm not really confident with him in the top-four. However, with Brodie gone, he's the best fit. Bartkowski isn't that guy, and neither is Kulak. Jokipakka is far more consistent and experienced.