Ongoing US Mass Shooting Thread

[T@T]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

11 year old shoots and kills a 16 year old.

The shooter claims it was a break in, but some witnesses say it was murder.

http://heavy.com/news/2015/09/lamont...obbery/?b2np=d

That is bat assed crazy, you know the world is going to the crapper when 11 year olds not only have access to guns but are willing to shoot someone in the head over a cellphone.

The neighbor is an idiot as well, when the kid was waiving the pistol around earlier in the day did she not think to maybe call the cops... that an 11 year had a handgun?

The parents and maybe even some relatives should be in jail over this...

Spoiler!

for stupidity

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Replace 'gun' and 'shot to death' with 'knife' and 'stabbed to death' and tell me how you would stop that?

I am not pro gun, but I am not sure how much more you can do to stop bad guys from doing bad things. The guns that are out there now, they are not going anywhere. It would require the GDP of Canada to buy all the illicit guns back.

I like the ammo tax idea. Hard core dudes could make their own, it might be bad news to ranges and skeet shooters. :dunno:

Just do with knives what all modern, smart nations have done with guns of course, ban em! (At least the majority)

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

And the predictable results...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...vealed-5865958

Overall knife crime has dropped slightly, the reduction mainly seen in the category of robberies, while knives being used in violent crime and sexual assaults has risen significantly.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Just do with knives what all modern, smart nations have done with guns of course, ban em! (At least the majority)

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

And the predictable results...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...vealed-5865958

Overall knife crime has dropped slightly, the reduction mainly seen in the category of robberies, while knives being used in violent crime and sexual assaults has risen significantly.

You know guns and knives are pet much the same thing.


What happened in Britain again when they banned guns?

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Just do with knives what all modern, smart nations have done with guns of course, ban em! (At least the majority)

https://www.gov.uk/buying-carrying-knives

And the predictable results...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...vealed-5865958

Overall knife crime has dropped slightly, the reduction mainly seen in the category of robberies, while knives being used in violent crime and sexual assaults has risen significantly.

Man you are the king of nit picking.

It's simple. Other nations do not have the gun violence America has. What does America need to do to make their gun violence rate the same as other western nations?

Let me guess, arm the citizenry, and educate people on gun use. What happens when the citizen goes crazy, gets upset, or gets lonely? I've never attempted suicide, but my guess is it's easier with a gun than anything else.

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

You know guns and knives are pet much the same thing.


What happened in Britain again when they banned guns?

They have seen the same trends in overall homicide rates as other comparable nations since the 60's. Their overall firearm homicide rates have dropped slightly and now have plateaued. Handgun offenses have doubled even though they are completely banned, and make up for over 57% of all firearm offenses.

There was also the Cumbria murders in 2010, which left 13 dead and 11 wounded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rate_by_decade

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...3/hosb0212.pdf

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Man you are the king of nit picking.

It's simple. Other nations do not have the gun violence America has. What does America need to do to make their gun violence rate the same as other western nations?

Let me guess, arm the citizenry, and educate people on gun use. What happens when the citizen goes crazy, gets upset, or gets lonely? I've never attempted suicide, but my guess is it's easier with a gun than anything else.

Like I said before, invest into social programs. Try to target the demographics that are causing the firearm crime. Investment in social programs for youth, the poor, families and mental health will also have farther reaching positive effects than just a reduction in firearm crime.

Or we can try and come up with billions of tax dollars to spend on ineffectual legislation while hurting the economy, create laws that make for paper criminals or for possession not use, tell people their rights are worthless and create a giant crap storm in an already turbulent social climate.

Did you know in the Czech Republic, after passing an exam and obtaining a licence, you can basically buy whatever you want? You can also conceal carry with no extra licencing? And they have insanely low firearm related homicides. Less than a quarter of Canada's rate.

Well I've had about enough arguing. It's up to the US to decide either way.

[T@T]

Not sure why anyone brings up what other country's stats are on gun violence anymore, this is about the crazy USA and their gun violence...simply put...as a society they clearly can't handle guns.

[calgarybornnraised]

I thought the 2nd amendment was about keeping the government in check. Now you want them to be Communists(Socialists).

[wittynickname]

The absolute most hilarious thing about this whole "spend money on social programs, mental health programs instead of anti-gun laws!" is that the same people whining "don't tread on me" and clinging to their weapons are the same exact people whining about Big Government and how Obamacare is evil and free market!!! The same legislators who are refusing to change gun policies are the same legislators who are refusing federal funds for public healthcare initiatives and attempting to stop social programs that keep low income groups from falling into abject poverty.

If you want to enact social programs to help minority communities who are responsible for much of the gang violence, I'm fully in favor of it, and pulling those groups up out of poverty would absolutely help stem the violence in those communities.

Let's take all that big money that the NRA pays to politicians to stop gun control measures and use it to help communities hardest hit with gun violence, how about that?

[Street Pharmacist]

Ahhhhhhh the Czech argument. Have you looked at their laws? If be down for the US to follow that style. Renewable licenses the same as driver's licenses? Not allowed to have alcohol and a weapon or you lose your license?

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Ahhhhhhh the Czech argument. Have you looked at their laws? If be down for the US to follow that style. Renewable licenses the same as driver's licenses? Not allowed to have alcohol and a weapon or you lose your license?

Yup, a car seems to be a more dangerous weapon.

I said this a few years ago and was laughed at.

You want a handgun or assault "style" rifle here's what you have to do.

- One year license.
- Each weapon is ballistic checked and recorded on your license.
- Ammo bought with your license and recorded for extreme use(gun ranges)
- Heavy fine and loss of rights if you loose your weapon or is stolen because of improper lockup or carelessness. (must re-apply)
- Heavy fine and immediate loss of weapons for careless use. (must re-apply)
- Immediate loss of weapons if arrested or have a restraining order against. (must re-apply)

The "good guys" with guns shouldn't have a problem with laws like this.

[Looch City]

Replace all modern guns with muskets.

Usability goes down, probability of misfire goes up.

Result: deaths decrease while everyone still has guns!

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

They have seen the same trends in overall homicide rates as other comparable nations since the 60's. Their overall firearm homicide rates have dropped slightly and now have plateaued. Handgun offenses have doubled even though they are completely banned, and make up for over 57% of all firearm offenses.

There was also the Cumbria murders in 2010, which left 13 dead and 11 wounded.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rate_by_decade

https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...3/hosb0212.pdf

Looking at "overall homicide" obfuscates the argument and you're doing it deliberately. Most murders are crimes of passion, and while some will reach for a knife or their bare hands, outcomes are better.

If we're looking at "overall homicide" then suddenly the UK had a murder spike right after the handgun ban. What that doesn't tell you is that most of that spike is the discovery of a physician who was charged with 171 counts of murder over a very long period of time. The homicides all get lumped in, but they're part of your stats there.

We're not trying to end murder, we're trying to end firearm crimes. Do you know how many homicides there were by firearm last year in the UK? 14

[PIMking]

Y'all know I'm pro gun but I still find it amazing that it's not until someone that isn't in the ghetto is shot and everyone gets all up in arms about guns.

I sold all of my firearms except my .22lr I feel weird not having my pistol on me at all times but its not the end of the world to me. Honestly a gun ban wouldn't work, that's a pie in the sky dream to think it would work here. Ammo is expensive and that is probably the best thing to do.

I reload all my own ammo so it wouldn't be a big thing for me but still the background check system should be tweaked.

Private sales should come with a background check, and I wish they had a license system that all 50 states had so you can go to any state without worrying about certain CCW laws compared to your state. I feel that everyone should have to take a mental evaluation every 4 years with a CCW license and have to take a written and shooting test.

If your weapon is used in a crime because of your lack of securing it and it's stolen then you should have to face the music. I'm super religious about gun safety and there is no reason why a child should be able to get a hold of a fire arm.

IDK really how to fix it, banning wouldn't work but its an idea.

[undercoverbrother]

I feel weird not having my pistol on me at all times

Wow, what a failure of a society/country that you make this statement.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by undercoverbrother

Wow, what a failure of a society/country that you make this statement.

Yeah I know, where I'm at now I feel safe but just went 10 years with a gun on me at all times kinda becomes habit.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Yeah I know, where I'm at now I feel safe but just went 10 years with a gun on me at all times kinda becomes habit.

This is half the reason Gun owners don't want to change the 2nd amendment. It's not that you need a gun, you just like them.

[T@T]

No deaths (yet) but some nutjob is shooting at people on an Arizona freeway, 10 shootings in the last 11 days.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/09/us/ari...ngs/index.html

[undercoverbrother]

Active Shooter at University

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2015...s-on-lockdown/

Appears to be 1 dead.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Like I said before, invest into social programs. Try to target the demographics that are causing the firearm crime. Investment in social programs for youth, the poor, families and mental health will also have farther reaching positive effects than just a reduction in firearm crime.

Or we can try and come up with billions of tax dollars to spend on ineffectual legislation while hurting the economy, create laws that make for paper criminals or for possession not use, tell people their rights are worthless and create a giant crap storm in an already turbulent social climate.

Did you know in the Czech Republic, after passing an exam and obtaining a licence, you can basically buy whatever you want? You can also conceal carry with no extra licencing? And they have insanely low firearm related homicides. Less than a quarter of Canada's rate.

Well I've had about enough arguing. It's up to the US to decide either way.

But why are you so against at least trying what other countries are already doing with genuinly successful results?