Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Good lord, do you believe everything you see tweeted? Go look that one up, I'll wait.

What tweet are you talking about? Are you saying the Federal Environmental Minister is lying here? That the CBC is lying?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gui...oads-1.7114867

Feds will stop investing in 'large' road projects, environment minister says

Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault said Monday the federal government will stop investing in new road infrastructure

"There will be no more envelopes from the federal government to enlarge the road network," Guilbeault said, according to quotes published in the Montreal Gazette.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Good lord, do you believe everything you see tweeted? Go look that one up, I'll wait.

I think he purposefully mis-phrased that.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by chemgear

What tweet are you talking about? Are you saying the Federal Environmental Minister is lying here? That the CBC is lying?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gui...oads-1.7114867

Feds will stop investing in 'large' road projects, environment minister says

Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault said Monday the federal government will stop investing in new road infrastructure

"There will be no more envelopes from the federal government to enlarge the road network," Guilbeault said, according to quotes published in the Montreal Gazette.

I'm not disputing that, I'm disputing your assertion that new roads are "not allowed". It's pretty obvious they have said they won't fund new large road infrastructure projects, which seems fair enough. It was also said before Trump arrived on scene, which has kind of changed things, and if you don't believe a government can alter policy to adjust to these events, I dunno what to tell you. If there was a case for funding a new national road project in this new environment, it would be considered.

"We can very well achieve our goals of economic, social and human development without more enlargement of the road network."

The world has changed since he said that.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Wormius

I think he purposefully mis-phrased that.

And edited!

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

If the LPC has shown anything it's a willingness to compromise their principles and change their ideological priorities to suit the political climate. Ultimately it's all about seats in parliament. If there are more seats in it for them to pretend Guillebault never said that, that's exactly what they'll do. And right now it seems likely that that's the case.

[Jimmy Stang]

Does anyone actually think that Guilbeault will be a minister in the next government, should the Liberals win? I can't think of a reason why he would be, especially if Carney moves the party more to the centre, which we all know is inevitable.

The PM will be different, the party priorities will be different, the ministers will be different. Not to mention the changes with Trump, tariffs, etc. have changed everything.

Pierre and Danielle will have to find another target - Guilbeault was too easy. Of course, they'll try their best to link him Trudeau, and Trudeau to Carney, etc. but we can see some early signs of how successful that linking will be.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

And edited!

Sorry, I did correct my spelling when I noticed right after I posted. What is different in my post versus when you quoted it?

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

If the LPC has shown anything it's a willingness to compromise their principles and change their ideological priorities to suit the political climate. Ultimately it's all about seats in parliament. If there are more seats in it for them to pretend Guillebault never said that, that's exactly what they'll do. And right now it seems likely that that's the case.

Hopefully you're right and not a case of face eating leopards. At least they starting talking about fixing the problems they created like the uncontrolled immigration and housing crisis when it was starting to cost them votes.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

It should have been obvious right from the start when they abandoned the proportional representation election promise from 2015. That was a principle that would have cost them seats - no way they were sticking by that promise.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Sorry, I did correct my spelling when I noticed right after I posted. What is different in my post versus when you quoted it?

-snip-

I wasn't sure what was edited, but did see I quoted after your edit, so on second look it was irrelevant. I rescind my edit snark.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Jimmy Stang

Does anyone actually think that Guilbeault will be a minister in the next government, should the Liberals win? I can't think of a reason why he would be, especially if Carney moves the party more to the centre, which we all know is inevitable.

The PM will be different, the party priorities will be different, the ministers will be different. Not to mention the changes with Trump, tariffs, etc. have changed everything.

Pierre and Danielle will have to find another target - Guilbeault was too easy. Of course, they'll try their best to link him Trudeau, and Trudeau to Carney, etc. but we can see some early signs of how successful that linking will be.

I fully expect Carney to keep Guilbeault as Environment and Climate Change Minister.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

I wasn't sure what was edited, but did see I quoted after your edit, so on second look it was irrelevant. I rescind my edit snark.

I saw nothing, it's all good.

Don't mind the push back though.

I have disliked how the liberals have acted on some of their more extreme ideologies over the decade in power (hurting the economy for social credit, their 100 million Canadian goal creating a housing and economic crisis, claiming no business case for helping allies off of Russian energy, weak stance on crime and drugs, etc.)

EDIT: Oh, and corruption. So much corruption.

Only with Trudeau floundering have they started talking some if it back. I'd like to think they would be the better party to face the Trump crisis but dislike the thought they'll just go back to their economic backstabbing ways when the coast is clear.

EDIT:

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I fully expect Carney to keep Guilbeault as Environment and Climate Change Minister.

Certainly a worry. He pretty much was one of the first to bend the knee and endorse him.

Carney's history with net-zero doesn't give me much confidence either. Still a hand picked Trudeau successor that led his own climate initiative global bank alliance, has already talked out of both sides of his mouth on pipelines, and keep the carbon tax (just rename it, keep it on emitters who will pass on the costs and also add it as an import tariff on goods coming in - because tariffs work so well right now).

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by chemgear

Certainly a worry. He pretty much was one of the first to bend the knee and endorse him.

Not only the endorsement but when it comes to Carney and Guilbeault they are very much on the same policy page. They have the same net Zero vision and the same carbon pricing vision. They both made similar comments in the past about keeping a carbon tax in Canada and they both came out in opposition of removing the heating oil carbon tax. They are cut from the same cloth when it comes to environmental and climate policy and I would be surprised if Carney could find someone in the party that more resembles his vision.

He presented his vision for the party's economic policy at the Liberal caucus retreat in Nanaimo, B.C., on Tuesday...

Carney criticized the party's carbon-tax carve out for home heating oil last fall, pressing instead for consistent environmental policy. By the spring, he told a parliamentary committee that the policy had “served a purpose up until now," but should only be scrapped in favour of an even more effective plan...

As for what's ahead of the Liberal's carbon tax policy, Guilbeault says he agrees with Carney: the price on carbon should only be scrapped if there is something better and more effective.

https://www.stalbertgazette.com/nati...r-role-9498315

Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault said Monday he will not stand for any further adjustments to Canada’s carbon-pricing system as a Conservative motion calling for more carve-outs failed in the House of Commons.

“As long as I’m the environment minister, there will be no more exemptions to carbon pricing,” Guilbeault told The Canadian Press in an interview.

“It’s certainly not ideal that we did it and in a perfect world we would not have to do that, but unfortunately we don’t live in a perfect world.”

[Azure]

Anyone else remember when we were all told this isn't possible?

Manitoba's northern port will ship double the amount of critical minerals it shipped last year, its ownership says.

Arctic Gateway Group, a partnership of dozens of First Nation and Bayline communities that own and operate the Port of Churchill and the Hudson Bay Railway, say they plan to ship 20,000 tonnes of zinc concentrate via the port this year in partnership with Hudbay Minerals.

Hundreds of train cars carried 10,000 tonnes of zinc concentrate to the port, where it was shipped last August, marking its first export shipment of a critical mineral in over two decades, the group said.

There are also plans to triple the port's storage capacity for critical minerals to 30,000 tonnes, said Chris Avery, CEO of Arctic Gateway Group.

"That will give us greater capacity to store critical minerals that will be carried out by the railway," he said.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...ment-1.7473669

[Fuzz]

That's great news. I don't know why you needed to make up a narrative to post it, though.

[Azure]

Its the Canadian way. Tell everyone 3519 reasons why something can't be done, but then when someone does it, act like you never said anything to begin with.

[Roughneck]

Originally Posted by Azure

Anyone else remember when we were all told this isn't possible?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manit...ment-1.7473669

It was you that was telling us that.

Originally Posted by Azure

-snip-

Its like the idea that Churchill could be a deep water port. We're going to study it for 15 more years, and then decide its not worth it because some enviroweenie doesn't want to disturb that 'beautiful boreal landscape.'

Its the Canadian way.

[Ped]

I may hate Trudeau even more now because where the #### has this version of him been for the past 8 years or whatever he's been in power? Actually answering questions and answering them well, getting to the point, no holds barred.


This is how Question Period should be, not the word salad he's been serving up that's avoided answering anything at all.

[calgarygeologist]

This could be good. Bring on the nukes!

https://www.canada.ca/en/natural-res...ouncement.html

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

This could be good. Bring on the nukes!

https://www.canada.ca/en/natural-res...ouncement.html

####ing finally.

[Torture]

Originally Posted by Ped

I may hate Trudeau even more now because where the #### has this version of him been for the past 8 years or whatever he's been in power? Actually answering questions and answering them well, getting to the point, no holds barred.


This is how Question Period should be, not the word salad he's been serving up that's avoided answering anything at all.

Trudeau has his faults, but he has always been pretty good in a crisis imo.