American Politics 4.0 - Orangeyou Glad He’s Back?

[Fuzz]

You are talking about cheap labour jobs, the type that Americans don't want to do, so those positions had to be filled by illegal immigrants. By getting rid of the illegals, it will force wages to rise in those roles, which means there isn't going to be a huge pool of labour to produce made in America goods, for which they are going to have to pay more to get anyone to do the job.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by curves2000

I agree but there is a very large population base of people who can't and won't be able to do those jobs for a variety of reasons. Lower and middle class individuals need to also have the ability to be able to work for fair wages and be able to provide for their families. There is a huge swath of America where things are very dire from a employment prospect standpoint.

American government and corporate policy dictated that more and more jobs would move overseas. This has benefited a lot of people but it has also left tens of millions of people and their families without a meaningful upward mobility.

I think I read a stat a while ago that indicated 150 million American's (60%) would not and can not fund a $400 emergency without borrowing. That is not even a decent smartphone or steakhouse dinner for the finance and tech people.

That's because there's a culture of spending every cent you earn (which the government and corporations promote, because the economy is driven by consumer spending), and because there's high wealth inequality and insufficient wealth redistribution.

It's not something that will be solved by repatriating low quality jobs. Unemployment is 4.1% without those low quality jobs. Those jobs already left and got replaced with higher quality jobs. You fix it by encouraging people to save and implementing spending and tax cuts that benefit the lower and middle class instead of making them for the benefit of Elon Musk.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Locke

Except we need to somehow include land locked Colorado in that mix.

[RogerWilco]

Originally Posted by Dion

But Trump's supporters eat this up. They don't really look at the visual and the fact that the population contained within what looks to be a little bit of Blue roughly equals the overwhelmingly red map. Vance posts that because it is purposefully misleading.

[Bonded]

A lot of people seem to be all in on the 'negotiating' tactic part of Trump's tariff plan. I think he is just going full Trump and there no political consequences for him in doing so.

[Fuzz]

Why can't he just have a ####ing heart attack and die already?

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Bonded

A lot of people seem to be all in on the 'negotiating' tactic part of Trump's tariff plan. I think he is just going full Trump and there no political consequences for him in doing so.

Sure but he's already getting a read that Canada and Mexico are in panic over a 'tweet'.

Saw headlines today:

"Canada failed to diversify ahead of Trump tariff threats"
"Trump tariff threats reveal Canada's trade dependency on US"
"How Canada can hit the US where it hurts in fight against Trump tariffs"

And both the Canadian dollar and peso are tumbling.

Trump doesn't need to do the work, the Canadian and Mexican media and 'experts' will expose all for him.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Why can't he just have a ####ing heart attack and die already?

Because he exercises regularly and eats healthy. Its all about clean living.

[Fuzz]

it doesn't help when we have Premiers openly taking Trump's side, before he is president or a negotiation has even started. Nope, Smith is organizing here own border patrols to bust them illegals and stop the massive flow of 3lbs or so of fentanyl across the Alberta border every year.


Canada is literally being sabotaged by our own stupid leaders who have already bent over and assumed the position. Lube up, Canada.

[Brendone]

Originally Posted by Locke

Minor revision please. Gives more options to get from Alberta to the coast, plus there’s some good camping in NW Montana and Idaho. I’m sure we can persuade some mouth breathers to clear out of that zone with some kind of “free Subaru / mystery box” offer if they move east or south?

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Locke

Count me in!

The Hillbilly States of Trumpmerica would become a third world country in a few short years - and then Trump would finally be right about something.

[GirlySports]

I know Locke is having some fun but it's not so easy to break up the US.

If you've studied the US Civil War there's always one looming question. When the South seceded to protect slavery, why didn't the North just let them? They instead fought a war to keep the South. Was it nationalistic? The US boasts the longest successful republic experiment and to break it up is unimaginable. Was it economic, the North couldn't afford to lose Southern crops? Can it afford to lose it now?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Sure but he's already getting a read that Canada and Mexico are in panic over a 'tweet'.

Saw headlines today:

"Canada failed to diversify ahead of Trump tariff threats"
"Trump tariff threats reveal Canada's trade dependency on US"
"How Canada can hit the US where it hurts in fight against Trump tariffs"

And both the Canadian dollar and peso are tumbling.

Trump doesn't need to do the work, the Canadian and Mexican media and 'experts' will expose all for him.

Yes, but the idea is that he won't actually put these tariffs in. The initial reactions to the tweet have blown over on CAD and the stock market. The market clearly doesn't think he will implement the extremes but we will have to see what he does once he is in power. If he does then the market will selloff.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by RogerWilco

Except we need to somehow include land locked Colorado in that mix.

Simple! Add Nevada (Vegas, baby), Arizona and New Mexico. We carefully go around Utah. Also, we can't leave Chicago behind. That would be cruel. Basically just use the 2020 map (minus Georgia, because it's isolated) instead of the 2024. The country would be progressive enough to absorb the swing states. They're probably due to swing back in 2028 anyways.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Yes, but the idea is that he won't actually put these tariffs in. The initial reactions to the tweet have blown over on CAD and the stock market. The market clearly doesn't think he will implement the extremes but we will have to see what he does once he is in power. If he does then the market will selloff.

I agree... but he MIGHT. That's always the thing with Trump. Trump's unpredictability, or the threat of being unpredictable, is unique among politicians and he weaponizes it.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Locke

Albertans better be careful of what they wish for. I see a lot of these maps drawn with Alberta being included with the USA side.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Albertans better be careful of what they wish for. I see a lot of these maps drawn with Alberta being included with the USA side.

I know. I dont want California either, but sacrifices must sometimes be made.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Locke

I know. I dont want California either, but sacrifices must sometimes be made.

It's not so bad, it'll be Canada's wang. Bigger than Americas.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

It's not so bad, it'll be Canada's wang. Bigger than Americas.

The prospect of a 'swordfight' between California and Florida, while intriguing, disturbs me greatly.

However...tickets will be sold.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

Albertans better be careful of what they wish for. I see a lot of these maps drawn with Alberta being included with the USA side.

Mostly by idiots. Alberta is more liberal than most blue states, led alone red states. If Colorado is going into the enlightened map, then Alberta absolutely should be too.