2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The biggest challenge with Kadri is his NMC. Leafs and Avs maybe? Leafs might have a spot in the offseason

Treliving has painted himself into a corner with Marner, should've moved him in the summer before the NMC kicked in. He'll end up re-signing Marner since he's a businessman more than a hockey GM, can't let him walk for nothing. I think Tavares will also get re-signed because he'll probably take a significant hometown discount. Maybe they would still have space for Kadri, don't know.



Avs got Mittelstad and are in cap hell, I doubt they can fit Kadri to their cap structure.

[Shazam]

I wouldn't trust Tre with my daughter's petty cash, let alone any sort of business.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I really don't think it's an effort thing with Kadri. But when things aren't going well, his bad habits creep in even more, including trying to do it all himself.
But i don't see a lack of effort there.

I've only ever seen a couple players that have been accused of a lack of effort where I thought, yeah, that guy is not trying game in and game out. Kadri isn't one (no current Flame is actually). I thought it about Rene Bourque, that's the last Flame I remember intentionally (IMO) dogging it.

[Bingo]

Yeah he's working hard.

I can never explain that tail end of the Sutter era though, that was mystifying.

I see a guy that presses when the puck isn't going in, and with that his tunnel vision grows exponentially.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah he's working hard.

I can never explain that tail end of the Sutter era though, that was mystifying.

I see a guy that presses when the puck isn't going in, and with that his tunnel vision grows exponentially.

To some extent the complaints were about a couple games where he lost pucks through what looked like lazy plays (but were more likely brain cramps). Every player goes through a slump and looks like they aren't in the game.

[dammage79]

Kadris problem isn't effort. It's patience and horse blinders. He goes commando trying to make something happen. It get so bad that while in a slump you won't see a 5v5 pass from him inside the offensive zone, ever.

Granted last game with Kuzmenko on his line with Pops, he made a few passes in the offensive zone.

Maybe the kids style of play and his don't necessarily jive consistently. Needs an older player to work with, I don't know.

[Shazam]

He's not wearing underwear? Well now you have my attention.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Kadris problem isn't effort. It's patience and horse blinders. He goes commando trying to make something happen. It get so bad that while in a slump you won't see a 5v5 pass from him inside the offensive zone, ever.

Granted last game with Kuzmenko on his line with Pops, he made a few passes in the offensive zone.

Maybe the kids style of play and his don't necessarily jive consistently. Needs an older player to work with, I don't know.

Last year he made a real effort to include the kids in the play though. This year, not so much.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I've only ever seen a couple players that have been accused of a lack of effort where I thought, yeah, that guy is not trying game in and game out. Kadri isn't one (no current Flame is actually). I thought it about Rene Bourque, that's the last Flame I remember intentionally (IMO) dogging it.

Definitely was the Real Deal James Neal

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Definitely was the Real Deal James Neal

Maybe. I think he had just lost it.

[stemit14]

Similar to what others have said above… I think the effort is there with Kadri but his style of play is based around “get me the puck and I’ll take care of this”. While he is skilled, the struggle he will have as he gets older is not being able to do everything he was able to do when he was younger. As he gets older, he won’t be able to dangle through the opposition and do it all himself.

[gvitaly]

Any idea if Kulich is available in BUF? He would be my number 1 target in an Andersson trade. Perhaps in a package with Samuelsson, whom I think will fit like Bahl in our top 4.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Kadris problem isn't effort. It's patience and horse blinders. He goes commando trying to make something happen. It get so bad that while in a slump you won't see a 5v5 pass from him inside the offensive zone, ever.

Granted last game with Kuzmenko on his line with Pops, he made a few passes in the offensive zone.

Maybe the kids style of play and his don't necessarily jive consistently. Needs an older player to work with, I don't know.

Maybe we need more reckless wingers for him who can skate hard, and crash the net looking for rebounds and tips.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Backlund makes others around him better. So far Cozens is not showing the same.

Also, it's easy to say well if he doesn't work out as a top 6 player worse case, he's a 3C.

3C are pretty important and can touch the game in a lot of ways, killing penalties, playing against the other team's top lines.

We have Huberdeau on the books for the entire time as well. Will have other players to pay.

Honest question, was Backlund the play driver he is at 23, or did that not come to be until 25 or 26?

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Any idea if Kulich is available in BUF? He would be my number 1 target in an Andersson trade. Perhaps in a package with Samuelsson, whom I think will fit like Bahl in our top 4.

Kulich definitely isn't being talked about enough as a potential option in a trade with Buffalo- he's as good as any prospect they have, other than perhaps Helenius.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Honest question, was Backlund the play driver he is at 23, or did that not come to be until 25 or 26?

10-11: 21 years old - 58.2% xGF, 5.42 relative
11-12: 22 years old - 49.8% xGF, 0.93 relative
12-13: 23 years old - 54.9% xGF, 7.03 relative
13-14: 24 years old - 50.5% xGF, 5.47 relative
14-15: 25 years old - 47.8% xGF, 3.06 relative
15-16: 26 years old - 52.1% xGF, 5.2 relative
16-17: 27 years old - 51.8% xGF , 4.93 relative

His underlying numbers when it came to advanced metrics were always pretty elite compared to his teammates.

It's why he had a lot of supporters even though he strugged to produce / stay healthy earlier in his career.

Cozens is a bit different:

20-21: 19 - 43.1% xGF, -4.0
21-22: 20 - 45.9% xGF, -0.94
22-23: 21 - 50.0% xGF, 0.96
23-24: 22 - 49.6% xGF, 1.84
24-25: 23 - 46.4% xGF, -3.82

So Cozens was okay relative to his teammates in 22-23, 23-24 at driving play, but still pretty average overall. He has a pretty objectively bad start to this season by any metric (points, xGF, relative xGF).

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Honest question, was Backlund the play driver he is at 23, or did that not come to be until 25 or 26?

He was not, but he also didn't have the pressure of a 7.1M contract and a team potentially trading some substantial assets for him.

Like I said the Flames would be assuming all the risk in this trade, and trading Andersson is not buy low on that player. It is selling our best asset for a reclamation project making 7.1M at this point.

I would be more comfortable with a 1st round pick and top prospect coming back.

So I guess Backlund was a play driver at that age, but the other points stand.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

10-11: 21 years old - 58.2% xGF, 5.42 relative
11-12: 22 years old - 49.8% xGF, 0.93 relative
12-13: 23 years old - 54.9% xGF, 7.03 relative
13-14: 24 years old - 50.5% xGF, 5.47 relative
14-15: 25 years old - 47.8% xGF, 3.06 relative
15-16: 26 years old - 52.1% xGF, 5.2 relative
16-17: 27 years old - 51.8% xGF , 4.93 relative

His underlying numbers when it came to advanced metrics were always pretty elite compared to his teammates.

It's why he had a lot of supporters even though he strugged to produce / stay healthy earlier in his career.

Yes, I recall Backlund had strong numbers. Wasn’t sure if that was always, or mostly, the case.

Thanks for digging this up.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Yes, I recall Backlund had strong numbers. Wasn’t sure if that was always, or mostly, the case.

Thanks for digging this up.

I was looking at the post times, he dug that up in mere minutes. lol

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He was not, but he also didn't have the pressure of a 7.1M contract and a team potentially trading some substantial assets for him.

Like I said the Flames would be assuming all the risk in this trade, and trading Andersson is not buy low on that player. It is selling our best asset for a reclamation project making 7.1M at this point.

I would be more comfortable with a 1st round pick and top prospect coming back.

So I guess Backlund was a play driver at that age, but the other points stand.

Perhaps.

There is a scenario where Andersson won’t extend or walks at the end of next year. I’d say that’s a substantial risk for Buffalo, especially if Cozens gets back to his 70pt form, or better.

I really don’t think 7.1 is going to be that huge a deterrent, especially 2-3 years dow the road.

If I were the Flames, I would want to know what we have in Zary at C before giving up assets. If we already have a guy who can play 2C, why bring in another?