2016 NFL Season

[Senator Clay Davis]

Draft order so far. Goff trade already approaching RGIII levels of disaster, and the Eagles ultimately came out pretty much a wash from their QB swaps.

1. Cleveland 1-15
2. San Francisco 2-14
3 .Chicago 3-13
4. Jacksonville 3-13
5. Tennessee (from Los Angeles) 4-12
6. New York Jets 5-11
7. San Diego 5-11
8. Carolina 6-10
9. Cincinnati 6-9-1
10. Buffalo 7-9
11. New Orleans 7-9
12. Cleveland (from Philadelphia) 7-9
13. Arizona 7-8-1
t14. Indianapolis 8-8
t14. Philadelphia (from Minnesota) 8-8
16. Baltimore 8-8
17. Washington 8-7-1
18. Tennessee 9-7
19. Tampa Bay 9-7
20. Denver 9-7

[DropIt]

Chicago could be drafting a QB in the first round for the first time since Rex Grossman in 2003

[Hockey]

Titans should take a WR at 5(Mike Williams) and a CB/S at 18

[dirk diggler]

i see now that Chip Kelly says he was lobbying for the 49ers to draft Dak Prescott last year, this kills me when this stuff comes out after the fact, much like when Bill Polian said he had Brady ranked much higher than a 6th round pick but yet he didnt draft him? sure you did.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The Raiders are far more complete than Houston? Really? If you put Alex Smith on Houston they'd be the #2 seed right now. If you put Tom Brady on Houston they might be 15-1. Houston is a better team than the Raiders pretty much across the board. They've just had high school level QB play the last 3 years....which includes all winning records and two division titles. Houston is a good QB away from being SB contenders. Carr was pretty much the primary reason anyone was scared of the Raiders. Raiders are improving, but still have work to do especially on defense. Houston literally needs one player.

Yes...really.

Oakland won 12 games in what was arguably the best division in football. That wasn't ONLY Derek Carr, that was a complete team effort.

Yes they have holes on defense, but no team other than maybe the Pats can claim not to have deficiencies on parts of their team.

Oakland is much more complete on offense and lags a bit when it comes to the other side of the ball ...this season anyhow. Add JJ Watt back to the Texans and it changes things again, but the fact is he isnt there right now.

[Sylvanfan]

Regarding the Raider game.

Denver was pretty motivated after getting beat pretty good by KC and New England the previous two weeks. With Kubiak retiring, I think those guys didn't want to send him out with a loss. You don't win a Superbowl with weak character. Plus I don't think Denver wanted to finish the season with a 1-5 Division record. So I'm not surprised the Denver came out and played hard.

Really the games that were the biggest duds or had a team within nothing to play for not show up ended up being games which were meaningless to both teams like Cinci/Baltimore, Minnesota/Chicago, New York/Buffalo, and Arizona/LA.

Another similarity to the 2008 playoffs...The Giants also had to go thru the number 1 seed Cowboys to get to the Superbowl. Should they succeed in beating the Packers which will be tough, but not impossible...high percentage chance they are in Dallas in the second week.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by dirk diggler

i see now that Chip Kelly says he was lobbying for the 49ers to draft Dak Prescott last year, this kills me when this stuff comes out after the fact, much like when Bill Polian said he had Brady ranked much higher than a 6th round pick but yet he didnt draft him? sure you did.

The thing with Prescott, is that if a pre-season injury doesn't happen, there's a good chance that no one knows who he is. Put him on San Francisco this year, and I'm a bit skeptical that team is 13-3 and he's being lauded as a MVP.

I was on a Chiefs forum where they were talking about how Hill and Jones were good picks...but they screwed up by not taking Prescott. Maybe so...but if Prescott was a Chief, he might have played one game this year if that.

Chip Kelly teams perform worse and worse every year. I suspect like Steve Spurrier or Nick Saban he'll go back to college where cheating is a bit easier.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yes...really.

Oakland won 12 games in what was arguably the best division in football. That wasn't ONLY Derek Carr, that was a complete team effort.

Yes they have holes on defense, but no team other than maybe the Pats can claim not to have deficiencies on parts of their team.

Oakland is much more complete on offense and lags a bit when it comes to the other side of the ball ...this season anyhow. Add JJ Watt back to the Texans and it changes things again, but the fact is he isnt there right now.

Texans have won 27 games in 3 years with the following as QB:

Ryan Fitzpatrick
Ryan Mallett
Case Keenum
Brandon Weeden
Brian Hoyer
TJ Yates
Brock Osweiler
Tom Savage

I mean Jesus Christ almighty....look at that list! Winning season every year! The AFC South sucks yeah, but that's only 37% of games. The Raiders meanwhile had Carr for all 3 years and won 23 games, despite Carr being better than all eight of those QBs combined, times at least two.

Carr is already closing in on the Aaron Rodgers and that level of "they are one of the worst teams in the league without him". Packers are a 6 win team at best without Rodgers. Like the Raiders are without Carr. Imagine the slate of losers I just posted were the Raiders and Packers QBs the last 3 years. Absolute best case scenario is 15-18 wins. And less than 10 is in play for sure. Texans are a better overall team than probably half of the playoff teams. They just have high school QB play. Put Rodgers on the Texans the last 3 years and they might have 5 losses total. They are a loaded team, missing the most key ingredient. Even without Watt this year the Texans posted the #1 overall defense, #2 pass defense, and a top 10 scoring defense. It's actually sad watching them waste this loaded team with such piss poor QB play.

[puffnstuff]

McCoy fired in San Diego

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Texans have won 27 games in 3 years with the following as QB:

Ryan Fitzpatrick
Ryan Mallett
Case Keenum
Brandon Weeden
Brian Hoyer
TJ Yates
Brock Osweiler
Tom Savage

I mean Jesus Christ almighty....look at that list! Winning season every year! The AFC South sucks yeah, but that's only 37% of games. The Raiders meanwhile had Carr for all 3 years and won 23 games, despite Carr being better than all eight of those QBs combined, times at least two.

Carr is already closing in on the Aaron Rodgers and that level of "they are one of the worst teams in the league without him". Packers are a 6 win team at best without Rodgers. Like the Raiders are without Carr. Imagine the slate of losers I just posted were the Raiders and Packers QBs the last 3 years. Absolute best case scenario is 15-18 wins. And less than 10 is in play for sure. Texans are a better overall team than probably half of the playoff teams. They just have high school QB play. Put Rodgers on the Texans the last 3 years and they might have 5 losses total. They are a loaded team, missing the most key ingredient. Even without Watt this year the Texans posted the #1 overall defense, #2 pass defense, and a top 10 scoring defense. It's actually sad watching them waste this loaded team with such piss poor QB play.

they have a top 3 O line
one of the top 3 WR duos in the league
their defense in the last 10 weeks is ranked 6th in the league
they are a top 5 rushing attack per PFF

what a garbage squad

[Senator Clay Davis]

The Bucs had Mike Evans and Vincent Jackson both having 1,000 yard seasons while winning 2 and 6 games. They also had a great running back in Doug Martin with a top 5 running game overall, defensive studs in Gerald McCoy, Lavonte David and Kwon Alexander. A top 10 defense last year when they won 6 games. So? Even this year after winning 9 games I am not convinced they were much better than last year when they won 6 games, but they got some good moments from Jameis at QB. QB is sort of everything in the NFL, it can be the entire difference between a 6 win team and a playoff team, and in Green Bay's case a legit threat.

I'd have the Raiders as around a 4-6 win team with either McGloin or Cook. And probably worse with any of the Texans QBs recently. The Raiders are young, they'll get better. But we've seen 5 quarters without Carr and they've looked pretty pathetic.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

they have a top 3 O line
one of the top 3 WR duos in the league
their defense in the last 10 weeks is ranked 6th in the league
they are a top 5 rushing attack per PFF

what a garbage squad

Oakland was 11-1 against non playoff teams and 1-3 against teams who made the playoffs. This is a pretty typical record for a team who's coming into the playoffs that wasn't there the year before. The Texans for example were 2-3 against playoff teams and 7-4 against non playoff teams with a first place schedule.

Until they can develop a WAR stat for QB's it really is hard to say just how much value the QB really delivers.

I personally don't think anyone should over react to a loss on the road against a team like Denver. I mean the Texans didn't look like they were holding back yesterday and were essentially worked over by a Matt Cassel lead Titans team, being down 18 points in the second half.

I don't see any reason why the Raiders can't come up with a game plan to be competitive in this game, even with McGloin or whomever at QB.

I think many other Sunday's that McGloin may have re-entered the game, but when he got nicked up they likely got a bit more precautious not wanting to lose two QB's in two weeks.

I would lean Texans in this one due to home field and that they have more experience in the playoffs as a team than the Raiders currently do. But I'd be pretty surprised if this game isn't a one score game late into the 4th. The only way I see it going two scores is if a late turnover goes for a TD the other way.

[d_phaneuf]

I dont see it as a team defining loss, to me teams lose games

Kc lost by 30 to the steelers

Who lost by 30 to the Eagles

Pata lost to Seattle who lost to the rams and by 30 to the packers

Judging teams off 1 game doesnt mean much especially a game like the nfl

[d_phaneuf]

I do think the Raiders max out at 1 win this playoffs, they need better than average qb to win on the road at gilette or arrowhead

But just disagreed with the team being Carr and scrubs, its a very young well built team augmented by some very good FA signings.

Who were basically a year ahead of expectations, most fans expected and wanted to be playing meaningful games in late December, maybe push for a wild card

To be a full team they still need to improve at LB and they need a short yardage receiver, either a slot receiver or a pass cstcher out of the backfield, plus some more db depth

Id love if thry could grab McCaffrey, and most mocks have him in that area too, usually going to Oakland or the Pats. Then spend the rest of the draft on defense.

Also wouldn't mind Ken Norton Jr being replaced, even with the big improvements since the first 6 games they could use an upgrade

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

The thing with Prescott, is that if a pre-season injury doesn't happen, there's a good chance that no one knows who he is. Put him on San Francisco this year, and I'm a bit skeptical that team is 13-3 and he's being lauded as a MVP.

I was on a Chiefs forum where they were talking about how Hill and Jones were good picks...but they screwed up by not taking Prescott. Maybe so...but if Prescott was a Chief, he might have played one game this year if that.

Chip Kelly teams perform worse and worse every year. I suspect like Steve Spurrier or Nick Saban he'll go back to college where cheating is a bit easier.

To me all Dak has shown this year is that he has a high floor, but his ceiling is still unknown

Like you say in dallas he got the oppurtunity but also the perfrct situation with the team around him

Its still up in the air who ends up being the best QB in last years draft

Goff was in the worst situation so this year he can't be judged on

Wentz started hot then went very cold, could be tewms adjusting to him or maybe the Philly injuries gave him no chance

Dak had the best year, but I dont think hes proven he can win games with his arm consistently, will be interesting to see him go up against Ryan or Rodgers soon and see if he can match it

[d_phaneuf]

Originally Posted by DropIt

Chicago could be drafting a QB in the first round for the first time since Rex Grossman in 2003

Have to think one of trubisky or Kizer is there but to me both those guys seem like goff and wentz to me where its reaching for qb

I think he goes lower but I think Watson ends up the best qb

Originally Posted by Hockey

Titans should take a WR at 5(Mike Williams) and a CB/S at 18

They could go both ways and end up happy

Williams and then maybe Humphrey from Bama, or the safety Adams from LSU, peppers could drop far as well, or Adams or tabor from Florida. So many depth db options

Or take Lattimore from Ohio state at 5 and then maybe John Ross, or juju, or corry Davis etc.

They are going to be so much better next season, id say afc south favorites unless the Colts have a monster offseason or the Texans get a QB

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The Raiders are far more complete than Houston? Really? If you put Alex Smith on Houston they'd be the #2 seed right now. If you put Tom Brady on Houston they might be 15-1. Houston is a better team than the Raiders pretty much across the board. They've just had high school level QB play the last 3 years....which includes all winning records and two division titles. Houston is a good QB away from being SB contenders. Carr was pretty much the primary reason anyone was scared of the Raiders. Raiders are improving, but still have work to do especially on defense. Houston literally needs one player.

This is pretty accurate. Texans have won their division with putrid QB play now two years in a row so I beleive they are a very solid team except at most important position.

Even things out at the QB position and Texans are rightfully favored to win against Oakland at home.

It's an indictment of Texans management that they have failed to find a competent QB. Without a Brady, Rodgers, Big Ben etc. the championship window is awfully short. Likely wasted JJ's best years.

[ResAlien]

Sports radio can be utterly infuriating sometimes. According to the talking heads here if Denver hires Kyle Shanahan then worst case scenario is an undefeated season. Pump the brakes a smidge, sheesh.

[Sylvanfan]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ans-vs-raiders

Well it won't be Tom Savage vs. Matt McGloin. It's going to be Brock Lobster likely facing Connor Cook.

If ever there was a time to see two times use the wild cat against each other, this may be it.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Sports radio can be utterly infuriating sometimes. According to the talking heads here if Denver hires Kyle Shanahan then worst case scenario is an undefeated season. Pump the brakes a smidge, sheesh.

Undefeated season with Trevor Siemian starting? They better hope they retain Wade Phillips or they won't even win 9 games next season.