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Bourque's Twin · 05-14-2015, 01:01 PM

I understand why people are contemplating trading Wideman. Buy low, sell high.

But, to manage a successful organization is not ALL about asset management. A lot of success is derived from grooming younger players, and guys like Wideman help a ton in that regard.

If we were to sell high then we might as well trade Hudler. It's quite possible that he won't be 8th in NHL scoring ever again.

The Flames will always consist of a mix of old and young talent. As long as those players fit the mould and contribute, then they should stay as Flames. Guys like Wideman and Hudler are not easily replaced.

The Red Wings are the perfect example. They could've traded Datsyuk and Zetterberg after they won the cup, but think about how much those guys helped groom Tatar, Nyguist, etc.

FlamesAddiction · 05-14-2015, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

I think all the Wideman trade discussion is moot.

He seems to like it here and has a full NMC.

Coach and management have done a 180 on him from the start of the season. Even gave him an A on his jersey.

I think Wideman's impact on our young defense has been overlooked by a lot of fans. When he came to the Flames, he was known as being an offensive d-man that blocked shots and made quite a few hits.

Well, guess what our defense is known for now?

GioforPM · 05-14-2015, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

I understand why people are contemplating trading Wideman. Buy low, sell high.

But, to manage a successful organization is not ALL about asset management. A lot of success is derived from grooming younger players, and guys like Wideman help a ton in that regard.

If we were to sell high then we might as well trade Hudler. It's quite possible that he won't be 8th in NHL scoring ever again.

The Flames will always consist of a mix of old and young talent. As long as those players fit the mould and contribute, then they should stay as Flames. Guys like Wideman and Hudler are not easily replaced.

The Red Wings are the perfect example. They could've traded Datsyuk and Zetterberg after they won the cup, but think about how much those guys helped groom Tatar, Nyguist, etc.

Wideman got the A for a reason. Hudler is an obvious mentor type, as is Stajan (Hudler mentors the skill guys, Stajan mentors the grinders). And based on his post season interviews and comments, it seems like Jones is a bit of a glue guy as well.

GreenLantern · 05-14-2015, 01:06 PM

Ference is the player I was thinking of. I remember that trade really messing things up. It was especially bad since he had just signed an extension.

ComixZone · 05-14-2015, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bourque's Twin

If we were to sell high then we might as well trade Hudler. It's quite possible that he won't be 8th in NHL scoring ever again.

I don't think it's quite this black and white. If Hudler is seen as part of the core and as part of the answer going forward, then you re-sign him and do not trade him.

If the opposite is true of Wideman, if you can improve the team - by trading him and acquiring a replacement that is perhaps younger - then you do it.

Every player situation is unique.

Flash Walken · 05-14-2015, 01:15 PM

Keeping wideman might aid the giordano contract talks somewhat as well.

Maybe not a ton, but it will have some influence.

I'd love to sign Giordano for 10 million per season on a 2 year deal to coincide with wideman's timeline.

JiriHrdina · 05-14-2015, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Keeping wideman might aid the giordano contract talks somewhat as well.

Maybe not a ton, but it will have some influence.

I'd love to sign Giordano for 10 million per season on a 2 year deal to coincide with wideman's timeline.

I imagine Gio will be seeking term a lot longer than 2 years.

edslunch · 05-14-2015, 01:31 PM

I think the Flames stick to the plan and trade off vets at the deadline as their contracts expire. Hudler this year (this one will hurt), Wideman next year, Stajan in three years.....nice progression

Flash Walken · 05-14-2015, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

I imagine Gio will be seeking term a lot longer than 2 years.

I imagine you are correct.

Otto-matic · 05-14-2015, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by edslunch

I think the Flames stick to the plan and trade off vets at the deadline as their contracts expire. Hudler this year (this one will hurt), Wideman next year, Stajan in three years.....nice progression

I don't see why we wouldn't try to re-sign Hulder to another 3/4 year deal. He's a integral part of the roster - same with Wideman.

Funkhouser · 05-14-2015, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Otto-matic

I don't see why we wouldn't try to resign Hulder to another 3/4 year deal. He's a integral part of the roster - same with Wideman.

Hudler yes, I see him being a valuable contributor to the top 9 for at least another 4 years without much risk of becoming a liability. Especially since he appears to be a great mentor and keep things light around the room.

Wideman, lets wait and see how things play out this year. He still has 2 more years on his deal and we desperately need some youth in our top 4. I suspect he will be either allowed to walk in 2 summers or be offloaded depending on if we can acquire some other assets. Although he had a fantastic year, lets not forget he was a healthy scratch and could easily fall into that trap again

Badgers Nose · 05-14-2015, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

I think all the Wideman trade discussion is moot.

He seems to like it here and has a full NMC.

Coach and management have done a 180 on him from the start of the season. Even gave him an A on his jersey.

Agreed. He earned his way out of the dog house. Poster boy for what Flames are all about.

Poe969 · 05-14-2015, 02:06 PM

The chemistry Wideman has with Johnny is reason enough to keep him. He makes Johnny better because they're a good team, I want Johnny to succeed in this league and I think Wideman is key to that early on.

GioforPM · 05-14-2015, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Poe969

The chemistry Wideman has with Johnny is reason enough to keep him. He makes Johnny better because they're a good team, I want Johnny to succeed in this league and I think Wideman is key to that early on.

I agree with that. Johnny and Wideman seem to be on the same page a lot. Part of why Wideman had success with shots on goal.

rohara66 · 05-14-2015, 03:14 PM

Trade all the old players!

Trade all the expiring contracts!

.... become the Oilers.

sureLoss · 05-14-2015, 04:46 PM

Friedman says he sees a possibility next year that neither Hiller or Ramo will be with the Flames.

dammage79 · 05-14-2015, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman says he sees a possibility next year that neither Hiller or Ramo will be with the Flames.

Whoa. Would they go after Niemi? I mean, whats out there in the trade market that'd be better than either of those two?

I suppose Jake Allen is ready for full time duty so maybe Elliott gets moved?

Does Martin Jones get the Bernier treatment?

Or, is it insane to think that the Flames believe so much in Ortio and Gillies tat they're going to run with them in net.

Wish I heard Friedmans take on why he thinks that.

Do they push for Dubnyk?

azzarish · 05-14-2015, 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman says he sees a possibility next year that neither Hiller or Ramo will be with the Flames.

Ortio?

Seems strange that both would go. You would think only one.

Erick Estrada · 05-14-2015, 04:53 PM

James Reimer

dammage79 · 05-14-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

Friedman says he sees a possibility next year that neither Hiller or Ramo will be with the Flames.

Was there an explanaton as to why he thinks this? Or he just out and said this with no context behind it? I mean there has to be a valid logical reasoning that BOTH goalies would be moved.