Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

LIB majority much better than a LIB minority.

And this from a voter who has always voted conservative.

Do you think this would cause the Cons to retreat from the far right?

[MrButtons]

I'm curious where the average Canadian's head is at. What are they looking for from a PM.

On one hand, Carney is still learning to speak to people with terms they understand - not just referencing food basket for CPI and productivity rations. On the other, if you think of him, PP, and Blanchet on a stage. Pierre and Blanchet are throwing haymakers at eachother and going for sound bites, do people respond well if Carney seems like the adult in the room? I am leaning more towards people wanting a calm, intelligent person at the helm especially with Trump, kind of a Harper type persona.

I am a bit bias as I loved Carney's book; and think the fact he dealt with the sub-prime mortgage crisis and Brexit, working with two conservative governments shows he's the right guy for our situation.

[Fuzz]

I think Carney's best angle is to be the adult in the room, and I do think with Trump fatigue setting in, people will respond well to that. At some point people just tune out the endless attacks and slogans and look for actual solutions.

[Hemi-Cuda]

Originally Posted by troutman

Do you think this would cause the Cons to retreat from the far right?

Probably not. As we've seen with Republicans and the UCP in Alberta, when conservatives lose elections they just go further right. If the cons lose big I could see them merging with the PPC and going full MAGA

[sa226]

It seems again, eerily similar to the United States where candidates are being judged by a different set of rules. There are no perfect candidates. We all seem to want the perfect politician that we can cheer for. Those don't exist. So why not choose competence?

Carney will bring Canada more to the center fiscally and is not batcrap crazy socially. His resume is a mile long. The attacks on him are about his shoes and weird accusations from when he was a business man, not a politician.

Pierre Pollieve, probably has some decent ideas and there is probably some good policy plans that are just inherent with a conservative governement, but as a quintissential populist, his list of red flags and warning signs is 10 times as long as his resume. His popularity is more a product of Trudeau than it is a product of his own qualifications as Prime Minister.

Change has been the driving force in western politics to the detriment of the uneducated voter. Crazy candidates campaign on change, while under that veil is a whole bunch of bad stuff. That is my worry right now. The desire for change is a very strong force in democracies. It gets people like Trump elected. Twice.

The liberals have been in power a very long time. Carney's angle should be to be the face of change, while being the adult in the room. However difficult that may be.

[The Yen Man]

It's kind of funny how some Canadians on twitter are laughing how Trump is "trolling the libs" with his flip flopping on the tariffs. You guys do understand Trump doing so is the reason your boy Pollieve might now lose the upcoming election right?

[Ped]

We've seen what happens with Con leaders when they try to shift a little more center.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

It's kind of funny how some Canadians on twitter are laughing how Trump is "trolling the libs" with his flip flopping on the tariffs. You guys do understand Trump doing so is the reason your boy Pollieve might now lose the upcoming election right?

Honestly, a lot of them don’t. If the CPC lose they’ll say it’s because Canadians are indoctrinated sheep, the media are in the pocket of the Liberals, etc.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Ped

We've seen what happens with Con leaders when they try to shift a little more center.

That’s the dilemma they face. The nutters dominate the part at the grass-roots level. And the adults in the room dread another split on the Canadian right like the Reform vs PC days.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That’s the dilemma they face. The nutters dominate the part at the grass-roots level. And the adults in the room dread another split on the Canadian right like the Reform vs PC days.

I think it says a lot that the CPC dread a split on the right (because they don't think they can beat the Liberals if there is a split). There's been a similar split on the left in Canada since the 1960s.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

That’s the dilemma they face. The nutters dominate the part at the grass-roots level. And the adults in the room dread another split on the Canadian right like the Reform vs PC days.

Exactly. This was what happened to O'Toole. As soon as he tried to take a more moderate approach on some items to move a bit more centre, all of a sudden the whacko right extremists were all over him.

[Ped]

And honestly I think a lot of the Cons running are pretty far right. Anti-vaxxers and freedom convoy people.

[Monahammer]

Why do we have a king? The king doesn't seem to give a #### that another "King" , self proclaimed, has eyes on what is officially his land.

I have never particularly cared about the monarchy at all, and thought it was kind of a quaint, nice nod to our commonwealth history. Also a notable defining difference between us and our american neighbors. My own ancestors were partially loyalists who fled the US during the revolution, and settled in Ontario.

But now? #### the King. #### the monarchy. What a dumb piece of useless garbage.

Canada does not need a king. Down with the monarchy.

[Monahammer]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trumps-...ce-with-uk-pm/

This is what I was referencing. How are all those folks out there who feel like the world would stand up for us doing now? We are ALONE.

[CliffFletcher]

The diplomatic silence on Trump’s threats to Canada has been dismaying. It seems countries don’t really have friends and allies - only interests. And the countries we thought were allies are too afraid of Trump to jeopardize their own interests.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trumps-...ce-with-uk-pm/

This is what I was referencing. How are all those folks out there who feel like the world would stand up for us doing now? We are ALONE.

Starmer is a cowardly pos. JFC.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The diplomatic silence on Trump’s threats to Canada has been dismaying. It seems countries don’t really have friends and allies - only interests. And the countries we thought were allies are too afraid of Trump to jeopardize their own interests.

Well then these countries all better start meeting with each other ASAP and strengthen whatever ties there are. Because the only way any of us are gonna get through this is if we all band together and come up with a concrete plan. Everyone trying to go it alone is not gonna work.

[Coach]

We should have formally cut ties with the British Empire as soon as Elizabeth died. We should have another chance soon, Charles isn't far behind. Get these clowns off our money.

[Sylvanfan]

The U.S. going isolationist and wanting to abandon the Bretton Woods or whatever you call of post WW2 alliance isn't really shocking. The speed at which Trump wants to end it kind of is. Although I guess he's got 2 years to reign in terror before the electorate could correct...let alone him accept any result.

So I think this has really thrown a wrench at the Cons since Poilievre got a bit fat and sassy picking on Trudeau which frankly was an easy Job to have. Now that he doesn't have that he's lost against potential foes who have had real world jobs. I've never been a Liberal supporter. But a Liberal majority might be the best way to navigate the turbulence of the coming 4 years. If he's not beholden to placating NDP/ Green/ Block demands I tend to think Carney might be the best person to get us through that.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The diplomatic silence on Trump’s threats to Canada has been dismaying. It seems countries don’t really have friends and allies - only interests. And the countries we thought were allies are too afraid of Trump to jeopardize their own interests.

The governor of maine has more balls than the entire world standing up to Trump. and she is a woman.