American Politics 3.0 - Back to Brunch

[PuckSlap]

Originally Posted by Mathgod

Cool. So are you going to speak out about the incalculable amount of harm and human suffering that Trump will cause if he gets back into power?

Predicting harm without evidence is speculative. It's more productive to focus on concrete plans and policies that can address real issues, rather than making assumptions about what might happen.

Given your handle, it's surprising you'd rely on predictions rather than actual evidence. Maybe you should crunch the numbers on potential outcomes instead of just assuming the worst.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by gallione11

I'm sorry, but how does "gunfire in the area" translate to an assassination attempt?

You don't think that a situation where someone likely had some sort of surveillance of a target, some sort premeditated plan and was hiding out in the bushes with an assault rifle warrants the classification of attempted assault? The situation was only neutralized because an agent spotted the rifle and fired at the target.

[Mathgod]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Predicting harm without evidence is speculative. It's more productive to focus on concrete plans and policies that can address real issues, rather than making assumptions about what might happen.

Given your handle, it's surprising you'd rely on predictions rather than actual evidence. Maybe you should crunch the numbers on potential outcomes instead of just assuming the worst.

You're being deliberately obtuse. And that's the kindest interpretation of what you're doing. Especially after January 6th and Trump's nonstop election denialism, and plans to pardon the insurrectionists... if you are still giving him the benefit of the doubt on anything, you're being deliberately dishonest. Tax cuts for the rich, denying climate change, putting misogynists on the supreme court, I could go on... please don't make me type out an essay.

[Kidder]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Predicting harm without evidence is speculative. It's more productive to focus on concrete plans and policies that can address real issues, rather than making assumptions about what might happen.

Given your handle, it's surprising you'd rely on predictions rather than actual evidence. Maybe you should crunch the numbers on potential outcomes instead of just assuming the worst.

Lol, you’re composing some grandiloquent argument in defence of a guy who truthXed “I HATE TAYLOR SWIFT!” this very morning.

What’s even being argued here?

Assassinations are bad m’kay? I think most would agree.

Trump doesn’t deserve to be killed as a political figure. He deserves to rot in prison until he dies for the actions he’s taken in life connected to and separate from his Presidency.

None of us have much control over it up here in Canada. Not sure why you’re on a message board wagging fingers at people who point out he attracts this type of behaviour with his harmful rhetoric.

[activeStick]

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c8dp10d4vq2t

The suspect in Sunday's apparent assassination attempt on Donald Trump was a pro-Ukraine activist, reports say

US media, including the BBC's US parter CBS, have named the suspect as Ryan Wesley Routh, 58

He tried to recruit foreign fighters to join Ukraine's war effort and had been to Kyiv

The incident unfolded as Trump played golf at his course in Florida on Sunday

Secret Service agents shot at the suspect when they saw an AK-47-style gun poking through bushes on the course

The suspect fled in a car and was arrested 38 miles away - Trump was unharmed, and later said it was "certainly an interesting day"

The apparent assassination attempt happened just two months after Trump survived a shooting at a rally in Pennsylvania

[Hemi-Cuda]

I'm not saying it's a false flag, but it does seem awfully convenient. On a Trump property, shooter didn't actually get near Trump this time, and right after his horrible debate performance. The gunman probably is just another lone nutcase, but if you wanted to drum up more sympathy for Trump and try to re-ignite the boost he got from the first assassination attempt, this is pretty much how you'd draft it up

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I'm not saying it's a false flag, but it does seem awfully convenient. On a Trump property, shooter didn't actually get near Trump this time, and right after his horrible debate performance. The gunman probably is just another lone nutcase, but if you wanted to drum up more sympathy for Trump and try to re-ignite the boost he got from the first assassination attempt, this is pretty much how you'd draft it up

It's also weird that Trump was the first one to report in on social media before the regular media. I know Trump is just weird in general and you can't expect him to behave like a normal person, but it certainly gives me some pause.

[Itse]

He's the most divisive presidential candidate ever in one of the most heavily armed countries ever.

He's really also the most obvious single person who's death actually would really matter.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Predicting harm without evidence is speculative. It's more productive to focus on concrete plans and policies that can address real issues, rather than making assumptions about what might happen.

Given your handle, it's surprising you'd rely on predictions rather than actual evidence. Maybe you should crunch the numbers on potential outcomes instead of just assuming the worst.

You don't need a lot of precision to estimate with high confidence that the expected value of a Trump presidency is much lower than a Harris one.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by PuckSlap

Predicting harm without evidence is speculative. It's more productive to focus on concrete plans and policies that can address real issues, rather than making assumptions about what might happen.

Given your handle, it's surprising you'd rely on predictions rather than actual evidence. Maybe you should crunch the numbers on potential outcomes instead of just assuming the worst.

In this case, it's not speculative at all. There was violence on January 6 because of Trump egging it on and refusing to stop it. There is violence in Springfield because of Trump and Vance stoking the flames with baseless accusations and refusing to take responsibility for it. There is increasing violence from right-wing groups because Trump is telling them to fight and take back America.


None of that are assumptions. They are facts, and it's not some *hmm this could happen if Trump gets elected, but maybe not" fantasy.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

It's also weird that Trump was the first one to report in on social media before the regular media. I know Trump is just weird in general and you can't expect him to behave like a normal person, but it certainly gives me some pause.

We really don’t need to speculate like this without evidence. It adds no value and embraces conspiratorial thinking that is endemic right now.

Trump would have been briefed on this before any media would have.

[Senator Clay Davis]

The thing is America is such a complete and utter disaster that you almost can't dismiss any theory as too out of hand...

- Actual assassination attempt? Absolutely.
- False flag to try and manipulate sympathy and get votes? Of course.
- Random gunfire near him? It's Murica, so no doubt.
- Jewish space lasers? Not impossible...

...either way, it remains compelling and fascinating to watch the fall of an empire in real time. Just wish we weren't so tied to them economically that we'll suffer badly when the collapse is complete.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Other than to say "damn, they missed again", I have no interest in stories about guys who would like Trump to be dead.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The thing is America is such a complete and utter disaster that you almost can't dismiss any theory as too out of hand...

- Actual assassination attempt? Absolutely.
- False flag to try and manipulate sympathy and get votes? Of course.
- Random gunfire near him? It's Murica, so no doubt.
- Jewish space lasers? Not impossible...

...either way, it remains compelling and fascinating to watch the fall of an empire in real time. Just wish we weren't so tied to them economically that we'll suffer badly when the collapse is complete.

No you should go with Random angry guy with access to weapon. Thats been the answer for everything so far.

When has it been a conspiracy?

[Looch City]

This is the SECOND assassination attempt and it's barely talked about in the media. Talk about rigged.

Liberal MSM bs

This is an attack on our DEMOCRACY!

[activeStick]

The morning news out here reported that the suspect is, "an active Ukraine supporter and vocal Trump critic". Given how adamant Trump has been about ending the war in Ukraine, it wouldn't be outlandish to speculate that this guy sees the war as "good vs. evil" as its been characterized by the media and politicians and since Trump pledged to end the war before the inaugaration if he gets elected, to him, Trump needed to go. Pretty crazy that the secret service apparently saw the gun sticking out of the bushes and acted, but didn't think the other shooter on the roof was a threat...

[PsYcNeT]

Thoughts and prayers

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by activeStick

The morning news out here reported that the suspect is, "an active Ukraine supporter and vocal Trump critic". Given how adamant Trump has been about ending the war in Ukraine, it wouldn't be outlandish to speculate that this guy sees the war as "good vs. evil" as its been characterized by the media and politicians and since Trump pledged to end the war before the inaugaration if he gets elected, to him, Trump needed to go. Pretty crazy that the secret service apparently saw the gun sticking out of the bushes and acted, but didn't think the other shooter on the roof was a threat...

He also voted for Trump in 2016 and had a long history of crime and mental health issues. Almost like he shouldn't have been able to buy a gun...

I am surprised the DJT stock isn't getting a hard pump, never thought assassination attempts would be played out in the media but here we are.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Dion

Trump doesn't understand how Tariffs work. Retailers are going to pass on the increased costs to their consumers causing hyper inflation.

Yeah, but his buddies/donors can now rake in a crap ton of profit producing similar goods with little to no competition!

[Fuzz]

This shouldn't be considered a surprise, or even unusual. The US has spent decades marching to this point, frankly I'm surprised it isn't a weekly occurrence.

Unfettered access to guns by people who absolutely should not own guns, but hey, someone fought for their right to, so they can. Politicians going unpunished by the most reprehensible things they do and say? well, time for the individual to take things into their own hands. I mean, it's in the constitution, right? And they are being goaded into it everywhere they look. Must be the right thing to do. Hell, Trump himself mused about how he could get away with it.

Someone tried to shoot Trump? Yup. Let me show you a face in shock at that news. -_-