Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[troutman]

Canada Election Shock as Liberals Pull Ahead: Poll

https://www.newsweek.com/canada-libe...n-poll-2036625

For the first time in years, Canada's Liberal Party has overtaken the Conservatives in federal election polling, marking a dramatic reversal just months before voters head to the polls—and U.S. President Donald Trump may be partly to blame.

[direwolf]

Originally Posted by Ped

Honestly I don't think it matters. I think disaffected voters have been looking for any reason whatsoever to not vote PP in, and unless Carney does something terrible before the election, he's in.

This is the sense I’m getting as well, and most if not all of my friends, family and co-workers I’ve talked to about this are all pretty much on the same page. Personally I don’t give a flying f*** about any of this Brookfield stuff. I just want an intelligent mature adult with real experience who can help steer us through this economic crisis. And right now Carney is that person.

[Firebot]

Originally Posted by belsarius

I don't remember the 2011 debates, but the Orange wave started right after them. They were polling in the mid-teens before the election, and days afterward they were in the low 20s, and a week later hit that 30% mark. I can't say if it was the debate specifically, but it must have been a factor with that timing.

It was definitely the biggest factor. Ignatieff had a disastrous debate where Layton called out Ignatieff for having the worst parliament attendance record and being an absent leader. Layton's charisma and leadership won over Quebecers and they were polling ahead of the Liberals after a week.

That orange wave that took Quebec turned into a disaster literally overnight after Mulcair declared that women can wear the niqab in 1995, instantly killing the Quebec vote.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/tho...lity-1.3446241

Debates usually don't matter, scandals usually don't matter, world events don't matter until they do and instantly shifts sentiment. At one point probably no one likely remembers that the NDP once polled as high as 41% in 1991 as a direct result of the Gulf War. Canadians can be fickle with recency bias, as we certainly see recently

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...deral_election

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by troutman

Canada Election Shock as Liberals Pull Ahead: Poll

https://www.newsweek.com/canada-libe...n-poll-2036625

Although I'm impressed with Carney, I'm not exactly enthralled with the idea of another Liberal government getting a kick at the can.

At the same time, I am tickled pink by PP and the Conservatives facing the consequences for courting the Maple MAGA crowd and bending the knee to ole' Cheeto Benito.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Although I'm impressed with Carney, I'm not exactly enthralled with the idea of another Liberal government getting a kick at the can.

At the same time, I am tickled pink by PP and the Conservatives facing the consequences for courting the Maple MAGA crowd and bending the knee to ole' Cheeto Benito.

I think keeping either party to a minority is probably the best option. That said, I think we're in safer hands with a LPC minority than a CPC minority considering the maple MAGA component.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Firebot

December 1, 2024, just weeks before Carney was being pushed as the country's next finance minister and while actively hired as special advisor and the chair of the Liberal task force on economic growth, less than 3 months ago, is old according to you?

Poilievre / CPC issues and reluctance to criticize Trump aside which may cost him the election, the leaked document is very damning and why Carney's main chance to get elected while everyone is focused on anger against the US before the skeletons have a chance to come out. He's fumbled the 2 Liberal leadership debates, and is going to be forced to be on the defensive as it now appears on mainstream media.

The document is absolutely pertinent.

Nope, this is exactly why they will lose. They think everyone is as interested in/ involved in the daily politico #### as them, when the simple issue here is adult talking to Trump. They can't address that, and they will lose spinning off on tangents like this.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Pierre's team seems to disagree about bad quality debate- they are focusing today on pushing out old documents from when Carney was on the board of Brookfield rather than criticizing his performance.

Losers lol.

Lifelong government employee criticizes self made private sector leader while pretending to hold Conservative economic values. Top notch stuff.

[calgarygeologist]

I hope that Anand loses her seat in spectacular fashion for being a political opportunist. When things were looking grim for the Liberals and the party appeared dead she decides that it is time to jump the ship but now that polling has changed she's back in. She doesn't care about working for the people. She's a joke.

Transport Minister Anita Anand is set to reverse her decision to retire from politics and announce she will seek re-election, CBC News has learned.

Anand is expected to make the announcement on Friday at an event with Mark Carney, according to sources with knowledge of the plans who were not authorized to speak publicly.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ani...tion-1.7469420

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I hope that Anand loses her seat in spectacular fashion for being a political opportunist. When things were looking grim for the Liberals and the party appeared dead she decides that it is time to jump the ship but now that polling has changed she's back in. She doesn't care about working for the people. She's a joke.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ani...tion-1.7469420

When it looked like she wouldn't have a job she decided to retire. Now that she may have an opportunity to have a job she's going for it.

The abject horror and utter betrayal!

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I hope that Anand loses her seat in spectacular fashion for being a political opportunist. When things were looking grim for the Liberals and the party appeared dead she decides that it is time to jump the ship but now that polling has changed she's back in. She doesn't care about working for the people. She's a joke.


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ani...tion-1.7469420

hahaha. I love it! She's making the rightwing deplorable lose their crap!

Is she really worse than deplorable Murphy Brown?? hahahahahahahahha

Say hello to your next deputy Prime Minister!

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by troutman

Canada Election Shock as Liberals Pull Ahead: Poll

https://www.newsweek.com/canada-libe...n-poll-2036625

Remember when you had losers in here guaranteeing a Reform Party majority when the polls said it was a 98% chance?? lol 290+ seats!!! hahahaha

[Ped]

To be fair, Trudeau sticking his head in the sand was pretty much handing PP the election. Really, I think it was Trump's election that swung it back away from the Cons.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think keeping either party to a minority is probably the best option. That said, I think we're in safer hands with a LPC minority than a CPC minority considering the maple MAGA component.

If Lib plus NDP is sufficient for a majority then it doesn’t matter if COC has a plurality of the seats. The liberals will continue to govern.

Even in the Bloc with balance of power I think it would be interesting to see who actually forms government. I’d suspect the liberals are able to gain confidence of the house short term in any minority configuration.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Ped

To be fair, Trudeau sticking his head in the sand was pretty much handing PP the election. Really, I think it was Trump's election that swung it back away from the Cons.

Absolutely. Canadians are gonna go full NIMBY on all things conservative until that lunacy is reeled in down south.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Ped

To be fair, Trudeau sticking his head in the sand was pretty much handing PP the election. Really, I think it was Trump's election that swung it back away from the Cons.

Nah. Ontario was never going to let that human piece of crap PP be our Prime Minister. Alberta lemmings have no say.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Ped

To be fair, Trudeau sticking his head in the sand was pretty much handing PP the election. Really, I think it was Trump's election that swung it back away from the Cons.

I wonder what Trudeau would poll at if he hadn’t decided to kick off the leadership race. I wonder if he regrets resigning now

[#-3]

Originally Posted by GGG

I wonder what Trudeau would poll at if he hadn’t decided to kick off the leadership race. I wonder if he regrets resigning now

Way lower than anyone else. The entire country spend 4 years buying the message that he was the problem, he's gone problem fixed.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by GGG

I wonder what Trudeau would poll at if he hadn’t decided to kick off the leadership race. I wonder if he regrets resigning now

He would have very likely still be polling poorly. The Liberals are gaining momentum because a) Trump/Musk/MAGA and b) Carney isn't Trudeau. The cat's out of the bag that Trudeau was a really bad PM.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Nah. Ontario was never going to let that human piece of crap PP be our Prime Minister. Alberta lemmings have no say.

Ontario will vote other than Liberal when they are truly tired of them, and I think we had hit that point under Trudeau.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by rubecube

I think keeping either party to a minority is probably the best option. That said, I think we're in safer hands with a LPC minority than a CPC minority considering the maple MAGA component.

LIB majority much better than a LIB minority.

And this from a voter who has always voted conservative.