The CPC (and the conservative movement) is too tied now to Trump and the MAGA movement, and I see that only becoming more and more a thing. Trump is single-handedly costing the conservatives here their lead. Milhouse is going to have to find a way to aggressively establish the CPC's own identity, since anything tied to American conservatism right now is being received like absolute toxic sludge.
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The CPC (and the conservative movement) is too tied now to Trump and the MAGA movement, and I see that only becoming more and more a thing. Trump is single-handedly costing the conservatives here their lead. Milhouse is going to have to find a way to aggressively establish the CPC's own identity, since anything tied to American conservatism right now is being received like absolute toxic sludge.
Which is ironic because O’Toole was slammed for moving to the centre and Poilievre was adamant that the CPC would stay true to who they are.
Polls starting to come in that Carney / Liberals may actually be ahead. What a complete disaster for Poilievre / CPC, who still doesn't get it and posting this stuff.
This election is absolutely was theirs to lose with the deep Liberal corruption and Trudeau's disastrous policies making it a gimme, and they somehow found a way to potentially lose it all. Not a single condemnation of Trump / Musk or talk about fighting against the latest Tariff talk. Big speech about Ukraine on the 3rd anniversary of the war, but no mention of the US / Israel UN votes.
In the Liberal French leadership debate, many of the biggest priority questions were about Trump and tariffs, and how to work on the economy, and these are the questions most important to Canadians right now.
Yet he's still stuck on Carbon Tax Carney and criticizing his French. How tone deaf can you be. Carney is using several of Poilievre's own policies as well which makes the difference fiscally much smaller.
He's going to be losing the moderates and centrists fast with an alternative, tying Carney to Trudeau isn't working, and quite frankly is not a priority to Canadians who are far more worried about some of the CPC's American factionism.
If PP doesn’t switch his attacks from the Libs to Trump then he’s done. Not sure why he can’t understand that. Maybe he’s worried about losing his fringe voters to Bernier. I don’t know. But unless he changes his tactics he’s done.
Literally no one cares about the carbon tax now. Trump and his tariffs have made it a footnote.
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If PP doesn’t switch his attacks from the Libs to Trump then he’s done. Not sure why he can’t understand that. Maybe he’s worried about losing his fringe voters to Bernier. I don’t know. But unless he changes his tactics he’s done.
Literally no one cares about the carbon tax now. Trump and his tariffs have made it a footnote.
It's too late especially when the Libs are going to link him fanboying with his tech bro Elon.
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Polls starting to come in that Carney / Liberals may actually be ahead. What a complete disaster for Poilievre / CPC, who still doesn't get it and posting this stuff.
This election is absolutely was theirs to lose with the deep Liberal corruption and Trudeau's disastrous policies making it a gimme, and they somehow found a way to potentially lose it all. Not a single condemnation of Trump / Musk or talk about fighting against the latest Tariff talk. Big speech about Ukraine on the 3rd anniversary of the war, but no mention of the US / Israel UN votes.
In the Liberal French leadership debate, many of the biggest priority questions were about Trump and tariffs, and how to work on the economy, and these are the questions most important to Canadians right now.
Yet he's still stuck on Carbon Tax Carney and criticizing his French. How tone deaf can you be. Carney is using several of Poilievre's own policies as well which makes the difference fiscally much smaller.
He's going to be losing the moderates and centrists fast with an alternative, tying Carney to Trudeau isn't working, and quite frankly is not a priority to Canadians who are far more worried about some of the CPC's American factionism.
It's so weird though. Trudeau had scandal after scandal and should've been done after the SNC issue. That should've been a slam dunk win for the CPC. I lean to the Liberals and I couldn't vote for Trudeau, so clearly there were a lot of "soft support" votes up for grabs. And yet, the CPC just couldn't get out of their own way.
The thing is, with the current situation, a lot of "us" who are centrist, probably would support a Stephen Harper kind of leader. Sure, he was a robot who shook his sons hand, and yeah he did the dumb piano playing stunts that were just cringe-worthy. But he at least was a statesman and I feel like he wouldn't just sell us out. I have zero confidence that Pierre and whoever the people are running his campaign are prepared to deal with the US at this point. Then you contrast that the Liberals are ready to elect a guy with real world experience and it's looking like they frittered away that enormous lead in the polls.
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If PP doesn’t switch his attacks from the Libs to Trump then he’s done. Not sure why he can’t understand that. Maybe he’s worried about losing his fringe voters to Bernier. I don’t know. But unless he changes his tactics he’s done.
Literally no one cares about the carbon tax now. Trump and his tariffs have made it a footnote.
If he attacks Trump then how is he ever going to be invited to the Oval Office toe licking parties?
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The problem with PP is he comes off like another Trump bootlicker. If he was an American, I have no doubt he'd be similar to the many grifters and enablers Trump surrounds himself with and appoints to government positions.
If PP doesn't start changing his tune fast, I'm probably voting Carney in this coming election. At this point, he's the only leader of any Canadian parties that feels like an adult. All the rest feel like bickering children to me.
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I'm really hoping that Carney and the Liberals get a massive majority all across the country on a "stand up to Trump" message. Would be fantastic to have a show of unity given the threats we face.
Maybe even pick up some urban ridings in Alberta.
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Yeah even my stout PC immediate family are stepping back and rethinking their vote. The stark parallels of PP and whatever is happening in the U.S. Is giving at least some rural Albertans pause . I know I have other extended family that are totally fully on board with the whole Trump thing so I'll never consider them salvageable until it's too late for them. Not that they care or anything.
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Yeah, the polls are a disaster for the CPC. Atlantic Canada now looks out of reach for them. If the Bloc vote craters, the Liberals won't need much in Ontario beyond Toronto ridings. Even if the Libs underperform in Ontario, the CPC now look like they have to play defense in Western Canada. BC, MB, and SK are all trending towards the Liberals. AB remains the only CPC stronghold.
All of this is before the Liberals roll out the full arsenal of attack ads. I also think Carney, Singh, May, and Blanchet eat PP alive at the debates, especially on topics like his security clearance. It'll be interesting to see how that moves the more casual voters, who were previously willing to vote CPC to punish the Liberals, without really knowing much about PP himself.
There is no shortage of content linking PP, his staffers, other CPC members, and the people he associates with to Trump and his cronies. And that doesn't include his own similarities to Trump (Canada First rally, the childish name-calling, bitching about the media, calling everything he doesn't like woke, saying there are only two genders, etc.). They can also pull up his voting record in parliament and compare him to the GOP. The trucker convoy was and remains deeply unpopular with most Canadians, and PP courting them is not going to play well on the campaign trail.
I'm not sure why the CPC thought they could transfer the Trudeau stink over to Carney, especially after Trump went full Trump, but it might end up being the most disastrous political miscalculation in Canadian history.
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It’s all about saving Canada at this stage. CPCs inability to pivot is a disaster and they deserve to lose if they can’t read the tea leaves but it does make you wonder their political acumen and general intelligence if arm chair internet people had this figured out like 3 weeks ago and it isn’t our day to day jobs.
If PP doesn’t switch his attacks from the Libs to Trump then he’s done. Not sure why he can’t understand that. Maybe he’s worried about losing his fringe voters to Bernier. I don’t know. But unless he changes his tactics he’s done.
Literally no one cares about the carbon tax now. Trump and his tariffs have made it a footnote.
He doesn’t want to win. He wants to be opposition. Because that’s easy.
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It’s all about saving Canada at this stage. CPCs inability to pivot is a disaster and they deserve to lose if they can’t read the tea leaves but it does make you wonder their political acumen and general intelligence if arm chair internet people had this figured out like 3 weeks ago and it isn’t our day to day jobs.
Shocking how dumb they’ve been since Jan 1.
It's not that we're smarter than them. They're just beholden to special interests and right-wing lunatics, and they can't pivot too hard without driving a bunch of them away.
It's similar to why the Democrats refused to pivot towards better policies for working class people instead of trying to move right to capture Republican voters. Everyone with a half a brain knew that was a terrible strategy, but it's what the DNC donors asked them to do, so they obliged.
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He doesn’t want to win. He wants to be opposition. Because that’s easy.
I don't think that's true. You can tell how badly PP wants this. He's gone from presumptive Prime Minister to potentially one of the biggest political jokes in the country's history.
I'm not ready to write his obituary yet, because I ultimately don't know that IF the Liberals win, that they improve the lives of average Canadians enough to avoid being completely obliterated in 2029. However, with how quickly the knives come out for conservative leaders these days, it wouldn't be a shock if he's one and done as leader of the party.
I don't think that's true. You can tell how badly PP wants this. He's gone from presumptive Prime Minister to potentially one of the biggest political jokes in the country's history.
I'm not ready to write his obituary yet, because I ultimately don't know that IF the Liberals win, that they improve the lives of average Canadians enough to avoid being completely obliterated in 2029. However, with how quickly the knives come out for conservative leaders these days, it wouldn't be a shock if he's one and done as leader of the party.
If they don't win, there's no way he'll lead them into the next election.
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