Mark "Fricken" Jankowski (aka The Big Jankowski)

[devo22]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

If they take the pick where does it land in the 2nd round? At the very end?

Since he was the 21st pick, it would be the 51st overall in 2017.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

So you make no more comments about Jankowski and I'll do the same?

no...

[getbak]

Originally Posted by sevenarms

I believe the Flames have to make a bona fide contract offer to Jankowski. Only if he rejects the offer will the Flames be compensated with the pick.

No. Bona Fide offers are not required to retain the rights to College players.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

It's funny how a few uneventful months can change the mood of this thread.

The Jankowski supporters are few and far between now. There's nothing wrong with hoping for the best with your teams prospects, but it also helps to be realistic.

He's not considered a bust yet, but there appears to be a slim chance that he reaches anywhere close to what his ceiling was indicated as.

[sevenarms]

Originally Posted by getbak

No. Bona Fide offers are not required to retain the rights to College players.

Well that's positive. Gives the Flames more options when it comes to decision time.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Perhaps. Honestly I don't really have a good feel for how the guy is viewed in the organization.
If they take the pick where does it land in the 2nd round? At the very end?

The fact is - a 2nd v. Janko isn't a clear decision. He has not developed to the point that it is a slam dunk - so I think there is a debate to have here within the Flames decision makers about whether they take the prospect or take the pick.

If Feaster was still the GM, it would be a slam dunk that he'd be signed. That he's gone makes the decision a little different, it may even bring some bias against signing him. I wonder if Chucko or Pelech would have been signed if Sutter was fired earlier.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Lets see, 1st round choice, mindless boasting of Jay Feaster and Weisbrod, coming from a third rate hockey program in a strong draft; all to be ignored and have nothing to do with the expectations and the results?

Was/Is 2012 viewed as a strong draft year?

I was just looking at it the other day and thought it was well below average in terms of 'star' players. Granted, it's only been 3 years, but typically we see superstars or atleast superstar potential by this point.

If I were to do a re-draft today... here is my entirely unprofessional top 10 re-ranking:

1. Morgan Reilly (5th)
2. Jacob Trouba (9th)
3. Alex Galchenyuk (3rd)
4. Filip Forsberg (11th)
5. Hampus Lindholm (6th)
6. Olli Maata (22nd)
7. Ryan Murray (2nd)
8. Zemgus Girgensons (14th)
9. Tomas Hertl (17th)
10. Tanner Pearson (30th)

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

If Feaster was still the GM, it would be a slam dunk that he'd be signed. That he's gone makes the decision a little different, it may even bring some bias against signing him. I wonder if Chucko or Pelech would have been signed if Sutter was fired earlier.

Chucko I don't remember the circumstances, but Pelech would have been IMO. He was very close to making the jump to the NHL, then got into injury problems (knee IIRC) and never recovered.

Does Jankowski go UFA if he goes unsigned?

[devo22]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Does Jankowski go UFA if he goes unsigned?

Yes. If the Flames don't sign him till August 15 2016, he goes UFA. Think of Kevin Hayes last summer, it would be the same thing.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

It's funny how a few uneventful months can change the mood of this thread.

The Jankowski supporters are few and far between now. There's nothing wrong with hoping for the best with your teams prospects, but it also helps to be realistic.

He's not considered a bust yet, but there appears to be a slim chance that he reaches anywhere close to what his ceiling was indicated as.

Boy some people really want to bust out some "I told you so" posts in this thread don't they. Always find it funny because if being right is the priority you should just predict that no prospect will hit their ceiling and most of the time you will be correct.

Anyways my opinion of him hasn't changed. Honestly - I had forgotten that there would be a compensation pick awarded. That coupled with the fact it is a new regime now, one that didn't draft Janko, is important context when figuring out what they will do.

My point is simply it is a decision to make. Pick 51 v. Janko? Really depends on how they view the depth of the 2016 draft. I think if it was a decision they had to make NOW they may take the pick because they seem to really think this is a great draft. Not sure how 2016 is shaping up to be.

Plenty of time to make that call.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Was/Is 2012 viewed as a strong draft year?

I was just looking at it the other day and thought it was well below average in terms of 'star' players. Granted, it's only been 3 years, but typically we see superstars or atleast superstar potential by this point.

If I were to do a re-draft today... here is my entirely unprofessional top 10 re-ranking:

1. Morgan Reilly (5th)
2. Jacob Trouba (9th)
3. Alex Galchenyuk (3rd)
4. Filip Forsberg (11th)
5. Hampus Lindholm (6th)
6. Olli Maata (22nd)
7. Ryan Murray (2nd)
8. Zemgus Girgensons (14th)
9. Tomas Hertl (17th)
10. Tanner Pearson (30th)

A lot of them, especially the defencemen haven't established themselves yet but I'd say Reinhart, Dumba, Pouliot are still looked on as fine picks. Many have already played NHL games. Weisbrod was going to trade our pick until he saw Jankowski because he thought it was a weak draft. In my opinion he was wrong. I'd have been happy with Girgensons, Ceci, Wilson, Hertl, Teravainen, Maatta, Subban to name a few.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Chucko I don't remember the circumstances, but Pelech would have been IMO. He was very close to making the jump to the NHL, then got into injury problems (knee IIRC) and never recovered.

Does Jankowski go UFA if he goes unsigned?

Chucko was struggling in college and had been put on a checking line. Sutter wasn't happy so he turned him pro. Pelech was a last moment signing and didn't seem to get many kudos from Sutter, so I'm doing a little guessing as to what his progress really was.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by devo22

Yes. If the Flames don't sign him till August 15 2016, he goes UFA. Think of Kevin Hayes last summer, it would be the same thing.

So, we would get a 2nd and someone like say........Vancouver could sign him as a UFA. Almost like we'd trade him to Vancouver for a 2nd......

[Dienasty]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Was/Is 2012 viewed as a strong draft year?



1. Morgan Reilly (5th)
2. Jacob Trouba (9th)
3. Alex Galchenyuk (3rd)
4. Filip Forsberg (11th)
5. Hampus Lindholm (6th)
6. Olli Maata (22nd)
7. Ryan Murray (2nd)
8. Zemgus Girgensons (14th)
9. Tomas Hertl (17th)
10. Tanner Pearson (30th)

I would go:
1) Forsberg
2) Trouba
3) Galchenyuk
4) Rielly
5) Maata (would switch with Rielly without all the injuries)
6) Lindholm
7) Girgensons
8) Teravainen
9) Pouliot
10) Hertl

HM: Pearson, Ceci, Dumba, Yakupov, Murray (again higher without all the injuries), Laughton, Vasilevski.

It is amazing to see all the talent that went in the first round making an impression in the NHL, to seeing that no one in the second round has done anything significant. Unless you consider Jake Mccabe with Buffalo "significant."

[UKflames]

So we are now basically getting rid of any prospect taken pre Johnny hockey

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Boy some people really want to bust out some "I told you so" posts in this thread don't they. Always find it funny because if being right is the priority you should just predict that no prospect will hit their ceiling and most of the time you will be correct.

Anyways my opinion of him hasn't changed. Honestly - I had forgotten that there would be a compensation pick awarded. That coupled with the fact it is a new regime now, one that didn't draft Janko, is important context when figuring out what they will do.

My point is simply it is a decision to make. Pick 51 v. Janko? Really depends on how they view the depth of the 2016 draft. I think if it was a decision they had to make NOW they may take the pick because they seem to really think this is a great draft. Not sure how 2016 is shaping up to be.

Plenty of time to make that call.

It would be the 2017 draft since we would have until August 2016 to sign him.

I think Jankowski's chances at being a full-time NHLer are better than 35%, so I would certainly try to sign him rather than taking a 51st overall pick. He might not end up as a top 6 forward but he has all the tools to be a successful NHL player. Worst case his ELC is 2 years and the Flames walk away then.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Dienasty

It is amazing to see all the talent that went in the first round making an impression in the NHL, to seeing that no one in the second round has done anything significant. Unless you consider Jake Mccabe with Buffalo "significant."

Damon Severson.

[devo22]

Originally Posted by UKflames

So we are now basically getting rid of any prospect taken pre Johnny hockey

Gaudreau was a 2011 pick, Janko was a 2012 pick ... so not exactly "pre Johnny".

I still have hopes for Janko and don't get the negativity in this thread. Size, good on face offs, solid defensively - he's progressing towards becoming a 3rd line center in the NHL and that's not exactly a bad thing. You need good two-way centers in your lineup if you want to win. Monahan and Bennett will (hopefully) be our two top centers for a long time anyway.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by devo22

Gaudreau was a 2011 pick, Janko was a 2012 pick ... so not exactly "pre Johnny".

I still have hopes for Janko and don't get the negativity in this thread. Size, good on face offs, solid defensively - he's progressing towards becoming a 3rd line center in the NHL and that's not exactly a bad thing. You need good two-way centers in your lineup if you want to win. Monahan and Bennett will (hopefully) be our two top centers for a long time anyway.

Thank you for correcting me. I also never understand the negativity toward Janko, he hasn't even turned pro yet and there are those that wish to throw him on the scrap heap. Have so many forgotten how long it took Backlund to become a valued player of the team.

It seems unless every top pick ends up playing with knockout stats from day 1 they are a total bust, not every players development curve goes that way.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Thank you for correcting me. I also never understand the negativity toward Janko, he hasn't even turned pro yet and there are those that wish to throw him on the scrap heap. Have so many forgotten how long it took Backlund to become a valued player of the team.

It seems unless every top pick ends up playing with knockout stats from day 1 they are a total bust, not every players development curve goes that way.

We live in an immediate gratification society. People are offended that our first rounder from 2012 isn't at least tearing up the A at this point.

I'll reserve judgement on Janko. Just like you said, how long did it take Backlund to become a valued part of the big club? You win some and lose some with picks, we'll see with Janko I guess.