The Democratic Presidential Nomination 2020

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Joe's promising cures for Cancer and Alzheimers. Guy is worse than Trump lol.

At least he knows what state Kansas City is in, Biden might slip up once in a while due to age but he's real and his team will expose Trump as the fraud he is.

I bet Trump won't even debate him on stage

[JohnnyB]

Biden has only looked energized and compos mentis for the last week. Prior to that he was failing badly in every performance. The coalescence around Joe isn't because of him having shown he's capable. It's because of people buying into him as having what it takes despite a shaky reality, and much of that buy in started with one influential endorsement rather than anything impressive that Joe did. He's clearly on his way to the nomination now, but there's not much reason yet to believe he won't perform again as he was during prior months.

[1qqaaz]

It's interesting how Calgarypuck is overwhelmingly conservative for Canadian federal elections, but then also favours a democratic socialist candidate like Bernie Sanders (about 60% are in favor Sanders or Warren).

Maybe Calgarians largely vote conservative mostly for western representation in parliament. They also like free healthcare and cheaper university tuition.

If you would've voted for the Conservative Party of Canada, but you also like Sanders/Warren, I'd be interested to hear your take.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

It's interesting how Calgarypuck is overwhelmingly conservative for Canadian federal elections, but then also favours a democratic socialist candidate like Bernie Sanders (about 60% are in favor Sanders or Warren).

Maybe Calgarians largely vote conservative mostly for western representation in parliament. They also like free healthcare and cheaper university tuition.

If you would've voted for the Conservative Party of Canada, but you also like Sanders/Warren, I'd be interested to hear your take.

The first thing is voting conservative here is like voting for a centrist democrat on fiscal issues. Most of the discussion in this years election was were Trudeaus behaviours more disqualifying than Sheers social positions.

In the 2015 election CP was 50% liberal, in 2019 55% conservative. This roughly aligns with the split between centrist democrat and left democrat you see hear.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Joe's promising cures for Cancer and Alzheimers. Guy is worse than Trump lol.

No.

lol

[GirlySports]

Then there's this. Odds are, Biden has all the questions too.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1236501804042592258

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

There's a terrible Harry Potter one too. Warren Stans have some real weird ideas about the "Lisa Simpson" candidate.

I was thinking that it's mostly a caricature of Warren supporters... the type of people who would find her appealing are the same sorts of people who would find that meme funny or clever. You do not want to be one of those people.

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

It's interesting how Calgarypuck is overwhelmingly conservative for Canadian federal elections, but then also favours a democratic socialist candidate like Bernie Sanders (about 60% are in favor Sanders or Warren).

First of all, go into the Alberta Politics Thread right now and the discussion is dominated by people who hate the UCP.

Second, I'm pretty sure the people who are vocally pro-sanders in here are also the most far-left posters on the board, as well as a few people who simply don't care about his ideology since none of it is getting through congress anyway, but think he is a good foil for Trump as a left-wing populist.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

It's interesting how Calgarypuck is overwhelmingly conservative for Canadian federal elections, but then also favours a democratic socialist candidate like Bernie Sanders (about 60% are in favor Sanders or Warren).

Maybe Calgarians largely vote conservative mostly for western representation in parliament. They also like free healthcare and cheaper university tuition.

If you would've voted for the Conservative Party of Canada, but you also like Sanders/Warren, I'd be interested to hear your take.

Not a Conservative, however, I think there is some outlying belief that the USA needs some Social responsibility in its electorate, hence the lean towards Bernie here. Not sure you'd have the same representation if this was a Canadian election. We simply don't have the same issues.

[GirlySports]

Also in this group Bernie stands for something and is likeable.

The establishment democrats stand for nothing.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Biden has a brand, at this point - it's "a return to normalcy. Don't you remember Obama? Wouldn't you like to have a version of that back?"

The answer, from the progressive wing of the party, is "of course not", but it's still a reasonable brand for a general election.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Also in this group Bernie stands for something and is likeable.

The establishment democrats stand for nothing.

God. You're so wrong on both accounts.

Go listen to what people say about both Biden and Sanders, especially those who have worked with them over the years.

Go read the policy platforms of Biden or other establishment democrats.

It's this kind of narrative that kills any ability for democrats to win anything, but I suspect you'd be fine with that?

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

It's this kind of narrative that kills any ability for democrats to win anything, but I suspect you'd be fine with that?

The inability of the Democrats to stop infighting and subjecting each other to absurd moral purity tests is what kills their chances to win anything. They're all on the same team but you'd hardly know it.

[activeStick]

Trump's been laying the foundation for months already for both nominee scenarios. If Biden wins, he'll continue on the Burisma path and Hunter Biden to follow the "crooked Hillary" soundbite from 2016, except for Joe. He's also already been harping on the DNC trying to screw Bernie from getting the nomination for a few months, hoping he can get enough Bernie supporters to stay out of the November vote. On the Sanders side, he'll continue to stoke the socialism and progressive fear fires that he's been doing for years.

It looks like Biden will be the nominee and it'll be interesting to see how much support he gets. Drumming up excitement is one thing, but 2016 was less about Hillary's inability to do that and more about how disliked she was, which Biden doesn't come close to.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

The inability of the Democrats to stop infighting and subjecting each other to absurd moral purity tests is what kills their chances to win anything. They're all on the same team but you'd hardly know it.

The Republicans were the same with Trump, until he became the leader. Then they eventually all bent the knee.

The key will be keeping progressives on board and not feeling slighted. I think as long as the process can be kept feeling fair, which is a DNC weakness, dems will rally around Biden.

Biden isn't strong. He's just bland, old and doesn't seem 100% there all the time. Those aren't hate-worthy weaknesses. There aren't enough really gratingly unlikable aspects to Biden to make people resent having to vote for him, but a selection process that comes across as unfair and partial could make enough people resentful to reduce progressive turnout regardless of who/what Biden is.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Also in this group Bernie stands for something and is likeable.

The establishment democrats stand for nothing.

There is nothing likeable about Bernie, he's a crotchety old man, he could just as easily be complaining about the kids in the neighbourhood playing hockey on the street as going on about healthcare.

That you might like his policies doesn't make him likeable, he seems devoid of humour or much personality

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

There is nothing likeable about Bernie, he's a crotchety old man, he could just as easily be complaining about the kids in the neighbourhood playing hockey on the street as going on about healthcare.

That you might like his policies doesn't make him likeable, he seems devoid of humour or much personality

Bernie is clearly likable for a lot of younger people who see him as authentic. It's not merely his policies that attract young people.

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

At least he knows what state Kansas City is in, Biden might slip up once in a while due to age but he's real and his team will expose Trump as the fraud he is.

I bet Trump won't even debate him on stage

Joe couldn't even recognize his wife on stage. Guys a fool but so are they all.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Bernie is clearly likable for a lot of younger people who see him as authentic. It's not merely his policies that attract young people.

they like the idea of change when change includes free college, its the youth version of a tax cut, it doesn't mean he is likeable, or that they will bother to show up at the polls, or that any of it will sell to the people that actually elect Governments, the over 55's

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon;7403078[B

]they like the idea of change when change includes free college, its the youth version of a tax cut, it doesn't mean he is likeable[/B], or that they will bother to show up at the polls, or that any of it will sell to the people that actually elect Governments, the over 55's

I have never before used the phrase “okay boomer”, but I am so tempted to with this. No, I'm sure you understand younger generations better than they do...

[Senator Clay Davis]

That the oldest candidate is the most popular with the youth is a pretty good way to sum up the current state of Murica. Said it already but it's not exactly a ringing endorsement of American exceptionalism that the three choices left for President are in their 70s with varying degrees of physical and/or mental health deterioration.