Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[Looch City]

Damn I didn't know woke had so many definitions and spanned so many non related issues.

Learn new things every day!

How do I know if the thoughts I'm having are woke right now? It's infiltrated my mind.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Do you agree with Johnny that living in Red China is better than Alberta as he claims?

When did you stop beating your wife?

Or did you want to try that question again with what he actually said?

It’s a little extra funny considering around the same time of that post you quoted he was making posts mocking the CCP.

But hey, Asian dude renewed his HK citizenship. Obviously a CCP supporter to someone like yourself.

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Originally Posted by Looch City

Damn I didn't know woke had so many definitions and spanned so many non related issues.

Learn new things every day!

How do I know if the thoughts I'm having are woke right now? It's infiltrated my mind.

That’s the woke mind virus. Please listen to 10 Joe Rogan episodes and call me in the morning.

[BigThief]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Do you agree with Johnny that living in Red China is better than Alberta as he claims?

Do you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself?

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by BigThief

Do you ever get tired of embarrassing yourself?

This coming from the guy that got permanently booted from here and came crawling back under a new account to continue a moronic streak.

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Makarov

Its a shame. There are smart and serious "conservatives". Indeed, society needs smart and serious "conservatives". They hold people who advocate for change accountable (in the sense of having to justify why change is necessary or beneficial). They hold people who advocate for regulation, taxation or social programs accountable (in the sense of having to justify why the regulation, tax or social program is necessary of beneficial). It just feels like we don't hear those voices very often any more.

There are. They’re called Progressive Conservatives.

[Yamer]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

There are. They’re called Progressive Conservatives.

That's become an oxymoron.

The term you were looking for is "woke".

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

This coming from the guy that got permanently booted from here and came crawling back under a new account to continue a moronic streak.

Shouldn’t you appreciate someone trying to give you a run for your money?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Azure

But Canadians are really honestly getting what we deserve, because we have this unique ability of not holding politicians accountable even though its quite obvious they should get the boot.

Do you think conservative Albertans will hold Danielle Smith accountable if the health care crisis continues under her watch? Will they vote for another party in the next election? I’m skeptical. More likely they’ll do what they always do, and blame everything on the federal government. We have the least accountable politicians in the country.

And talk about Canadians getting what they deserve in the context of Trump’s malicious bullying and threats against the country is exactly the attitude that’s turning moderate Canadians against the CPC. None of the #### Trump is pulling is our fault.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Damn I didn't know woke had so many definitions and spanned so many non related issues.

Learn new things every day!

How do I know if the thoughts I'm having are woke right now? It's infiltrated my mind.

Learning is woke!

[ThePrince]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

3. Politicizing science, leading to disinformation and inequality
I'd love an example of how "woke" is doing this, and perhaps compare it to what the right does before answering. "politicizing science leads to inequality" is not the left doing that. Come on man, have some awareness. Politics absolutely should use science to guide it. Would you prefer policy guided by ignorance?

I'll start by saying that in general, I am far more on the "woke" side when it comes to science and just trusting the experts. I'm not smart enough to understand the inner workings of every single health and science issue - we absolutely have to trust the people who are educated and trained in these subjects.

With that said, multiple people have asked for an example, and there are absolutely examples of the left doing what is described here and politicizing science. Biggest example I can think of is COVID lockdowns - once the pandemic died down a bit, if you were for opening things back up, you got destroyed for being a far right MAGA that hated science.

When you look at the data, I'm not sure there was a worse affect of the pandemic than what we've seen in education and children simply not at learning at the level they should be at. In the US, there was a clear gap between blue and red states, where blue states that prolonged lockdowns had worse effects on children's scores. But the lockdowns became so politicized (on both sides) that you couldn't have a serious conversation about the downstream affects of the lockdown. And IMO, this is a problem that will hurt us for at least a generation, as the current generation of children are simply a step below. This has also led to widening inequality as those that are less fortunate and didn't have the same resources to learn from home, hire a tutor, etc. were further left behind with prolonged lockdowns.

Again, I think what the far right has been doing regarding science and health is nothing short of disgusting, but to say the left is unblemished here when IMO they've done real damage to our society is also unfair.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/11/b...ng-losses.html

[Manhattanboy]

Liberals spending big in Quebec and Ontario.

https://apple.news/ATEa4LeNKTAK5cQUfRbDxew

“ OTTAWA—With speeds forecast at up to 300 km/h, Canada is taking a leap towards high speed rail with a new line from Toronto to Québec City, the federal government announced Wednesday. In one of his last major policy drives as prime minister, Justin Trudeau pledged $3.9 billion in federal dollars to develop the new high speed rail service over the next six years.”

[Ped]

They've been promising high speed rail for years.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

I'll start by saying that in general, I am far more on the "woke" side when it comes to science and just trusting the experts. I'm not smart enough to understand the inner workings of every single health and science issue - we absolutely have to trust the people who are educated and trained in these subjects.

With that said, multiple people have asked for an example, and there are absolutely examples of the left doing what is described here and politicizing science. Biggest example I can think of is COVID lockdowns - once the pandemic died down a bit, if you were for opening things back up, you got destroyed for being a far right MAGA that hated science.

When you look at the data, I'm not sure there was a worse affect of the pandemic than what we've seen in education and children simply not at learning at the level they should be at. In the US, there was a clear gap between blue and red states, where blue states that prolonged lockdowns had worse effects on children's scores. But the lockdowns became so politicized (on both sides) that you couldn't have a serious conversation about the downstream affects of the lockdown. And IMO, this is a problem that will hurt us for at least a generation, as the current generation of children are simply a step below. This has also led to widening inequality as those that are less fortunate and didn't have the same resources to learn from home, hire a tutor, etc. were further left behind with prolonged lockdowns.

Again, I think what the far right has been doing regarding science and health is nothing short of disgusting, but to say the left is unblemished here when IMO they've done real damage to our society is also unfair.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/11/b...ng-losses.html

The pandemic is maybe one of the worst examples you can use. Highly politicized on both sides, a quickly evolving situation where much of what we know now had to be learned (aka science!) along the way. Pinning a whole generation of affected learners on the left is absurd.

You’d have been better off citing anti-vaxxers as originating in the vaguely left wing, natural health sphere.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

The pandemic is maybe one of the worst examples you can use. Highly politicized on both sides, a quickly evolving situation where much of what we know now had to be learned (aka science!) along the way. Pinning a whole generation of affected learners on the left is absurd.

You’d have been better off citing anti-vaxxers as originating in the vaguely left wing, natural health sphere.

Covid broke a lot of brains, and not all of them were on the right.

There was sound data from the earliest days of the pandemic (remember, Europe was 4 weeks ahead of N America with every wave) that showed children contracted and spread covid at much lower rates than adults, and much lower rates than they spread colds and flu. Early data also showed that schools were not major vectors of contagion.

That data was ignored by Canadians who spouted ‘common-sense facts’ about kids being filthy spreaders of sickness. These were the same people who said kids are resilient and will bounce back from any interruption to in-class teaching. But we already knew from historical research that many kids do not bounce back from interruptions in learning, and that even a few weeks of learning loss can have permanent impacts on educational outcomes. Which is why child welfare advocates implored authorities to keep in-person schools open at all costs. Their pleas largely fell on deaf ears.

Once the pandemic became politicized, angry and frightened people of all political alignments ignored any science that didn’t fit their preferred narrative.

[Yamer]

I don't recall any businesses getting the gears after fully re-opening when restrictions were lifted.

I do remember places that flaunted the rules all along getting attention for being the dummies they were even after it was all over.

[calgarygeologist]

Mark Carney is getting tangled in a web of unclear messaging, lies, as he tries to get support from potential voters across the country.

Liberal leadership candidate Mark Carney’s campaign said it needs to “tighten up” his message after he said in English that he would use federal emergency powers to push major energy projects through traditional roadblocks if he were prime minister, but then told Quebecers in French that he would not impose any such projects on the province against its will.

His campaign is also walking back comments Carney made in French about cutting federal social transfers. Earlier this month, he said he would focus on reducing “operational deficits” by cutting transfers to provinces and individuals. Then on Monday, in French again, he told a different interviewer he would never do such a thing.

In his first French-language interview in Quebec in early February, Carney told TVA: “We need to reduce operational deficits. This means, transfers to individuals, transfers to provinces … and all that,” he said.

But on Monday, in his Radio-Canada interview, he contradicted that. When Roy asked Carney if he was planning as prime minister to cut transfers, Carney said the opposite.

“The deficit is $60 billion. My question is: will you cut transfers to the provinces?” asked Roy.

Carney said “no.”

“You do not cut transfers to individuals?” asked Roy.

“No,” said Carney.

His campaign team acknowledged that he should have been clearer on that point the first time around. Champoux added that the candidate had been asked to “refine his thinking” on transfers.

https://nationalpost.com/news/carney...dled-messaging

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Changed your post? It is a direct quote although I missed copying the first letter (if that is what you are getting at.)



Do you agree with Johnny that living in Red China is better than Alberta as he claims?

China hasn't been "red" since the 70's

[Doctorfever]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Do you think conservative Albertans will hold Danielle Smith accountable if the health care crisis continues under her watch? Will they vote for another party in the next election? I’m skeptical. More likely they’ll do what they always do, and blame everything on the federal government. We have the least accountable politicians in the country.

And talk about Canadians getting what they deserve in the context of Trump’s malicious bullying and threats against the country is exactly the attitude that’s turning moderate Canadians against the CPC. None of the #### Trump is pulling is our fault.

First off, Smith should absolutely be held accountable for the health care crisis, if the investigation shows wrong doing. Full stop.

I wouldn’t say Canadians are getting what they deserve because of what the Trump government is doing and looking to do to Canada with tariffs and bullying. But let’s be clear, Canada could have been in a better situation with the northern gateway pipeline and strong exports of LNG, adding more trading partners.

Canada isn’t to blame for Trump, we are to blame for not better positioning ourselves globally. The fact that the Liberals are trying to move closer to the center is a positive thing for that party, and it validates what the CPC has been saying for the time that Trudeau has been in power.

It’s nice to see some common ground on a few things politically.

[bizaro86]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Mark Carney is getting tangled in a web of unclear messaging, lies, as he tries to get support from potential voters across the country.


https://nationalpost.com/news/carney...dled-messaging

Candidate: "I have good, well-thought out ideas for the problems we have in this country! I'm excited to share them with the voters!"

Party: "You can't get elected without Quebec, and Quebec doesn't like any of that"

Candidate "FML..."

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by ThePrince

I'll start by saying that in general, I am far more on the "woke" side when it comes to science and just trusting the experts. I'm not smart enough to understand the inner workings of every single health and science issue - we absolutely have to trust the people who are educated and trained in these subjects.

With that said, multiple people have asked for an example, and there are absolutely examples of the left doing what is described here and politicizing science. Biggest example I can think of is COVID lockdowns - once the pandemic died down a bit, if you were for opening things back up, you got destroyed for being a far right MAGA that hated science.

When you look at the data, I'm not sure there was a worse affect of the pandemic than what we've seen in education and children simply not at learning at the level they should be at. In the US, there was a clear gap between blue and red states, where blue states that prolonged lockdowns had worse effects on children's scores. But the lockdowns became so politicized (on both sides) that you couldn't have a serious conversation about the downstream affects of the lockdown. And IMO, this is a problem that will hurt us for at least a generation, as the current generation of children are simply a step below. This has also led to widening inequality as those that are less fortunate and didn't have the same resources to learn from home, hire a tutor, etc. were further left behind with prolonged lockdowns.

Again, I think what the far right has been doing regarding science and health is nothing short of disgusting, but to say the left is unblemished here when IMO they've done real damage to our society is also unfair.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/11/b...ng-losses.html

The problem there, as it is now with the US election, is that groups of extreme anti-science wieners grabbed hold of any reasonable narrative and discussion, and wrenched it hard, using moderate reasons to convince the larger populist into pushing their message. The same "hide the worst of it" actions led to Trump getting elected again. This is one example:

https://newrepublic.com/article/1654...back-to-normal

But if you want to argue how we handled it in Canada, the argument always was that we had no capacity in the medical system, people would die from covid, other lack of access to treatments, and medical professionals would burn out and quit, leaving our long term health system in crisis conditions that would last years. And all of these things happened, just as they were warned against, as they were pressured to follow these groups calling for loosened restrictions before our system was ready to handle it, and lily-livered politicians caved without listening to expert opinions(not just on covid, but on the strength of our HC system).

So while there was an academic conversation to be had about when it made reasonable sense to change restrictions based on the virus, they weren't all that relevant in Canada when our HC system was buckling.

As to worrying about children's education, from a recent study:

“We found, overall, that while there are some changes, the sky is not falling, and that is a really important and reassuring finding,”

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/news...young-children

The reality is, it's a pandemic. People are sick and stressed. Many kids missed a ####load of school, because they were sick. Nothing is going to be perfect, there are going to be negative effects. Blaming it all on masks and lock downs is an ignorant approach.

The real drawback though is we are going to be so ####ed the next time one rolls around, and that can only be blamed on one side of the anti-science gang, and sadly, they convinced a lot of rational people of their views, and have caused our laws and planning around pandemic response to be neutered. So good job to them, they won.