[Signing] Gaudreau to Columbus (7 x $9.75 million)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

How long do you have to paint the fence?

Who supplies the Paint?

Who supplies the brushes and other supplies?

Sorry, there are too many uncertain terms to constitute a contract.

It was a broad example. But the uncertain terms have to be fundamental to the contract and not just details. Reverting to Gaudreau (and ignoring other stuff which makes writing necessary) all the details are in the CBA anyway.

But again, it’s not really the point. The point is being professional and up front.

[Mr.Coffee]

If that story is true then good for Edwards for being basically given an ultimatum and still rising above that type of demand and matching. That would have taken a bit of willpower as well. Usually most people, especially Edwards I’m sure, don’t take well to ultimatums.

That is wild he would walk if they matched. Yikes, maybe the most poorly handled UFA situation of all time (by player?)?

You can completely understand why Edwards and Flames brass would be exasperated, frustrated and upset.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

If that story is true then good for Edwards for being basically given an ultimatum and still rising above that type of demand and matching. That would have taken a bit of willpower as well. Usually most people, especially Edwards I’m sure, don’t take well to ultimatums.

That is wild he would walk if they matched. Yikes, maybe the most poorly handled UFA situation of all time (by player?)?

You can completely understand why Edwards and Flames brass would be exasperated, frustrated and upset.

Edwards takes very well to ultimatums. I’ve seen him give a few.


Oh, you meant receiving one. No, he doesn’t really like that. Though I think he may not fuss because of the fact he does it too.

[MrMike]

We’ll both of these insider stories line right up with filling in the blanks. Makes a ton of sense. Good riddance. Time to move on and create an even better team. With hookers, and black jack!

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

In either wording he is jerking them along and not bargaining in good faith.

Ok yeah it’s a tough decision. Figure it out.

In the latter I’m assuming the discussion was already had that Gaudreau was on the fence about saying or going and that had been determined.

In a situation like that I think it’s okay for the Gaudreau camp to say “It would have to be this number for us to consider staying”

Because that gives the Flames the chance to walk away if they aren’t comfortable with the number but is also indicating you still haven’t made up your mind and it would still just be “considering” the Flames offer.

It still isn’t perfect and could be handled a lot better but I think that’s still in “good faith” as long as it’s transparent.

If you say “We stay if you meet this price” and then still don’t stay though…that’s BS

And if I had to bet…and based on the public reactions of Gross, Treliving, and Gaudreau…it feels like Gaudreau and Gross said it was a done deal if they met the price then Johnny reneged on the deal when it was in front of him.

Honestly it would make sense based on what Gross put out to the media alone…never seen an agent do that and it was weird from the second it happened.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by rohara66

God dammit was Jarome not the best of all time.

There is a difference though. Guys like Gaudreau and McDavid will come and go. You will never replicate Iginla in the NHL.

[Jiggy_12]

Treliving’s demeanor in his media availability sure makes more sense now. He was visibly angry and clearly bit his tongue more than a couple times.

Hard to hide raw emotion like that.

Amazing he was able to take the high road so fresh off that break-up too. Could have easily let something slip that painted Jonny in a negative way.

I’m still not pleased with Tre but if all this is true I’m gonna ease up on him a bit

[2macinnis2]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

In the latter I’m assuming the discussion was already had that Gaudreau was on the fence about saying or going and that had been determined.

In a situation like that I think it’s okay for the Gaudreau camp to say “It would have to be this number for us to consider staying”

Because that gives the Flames the chance to walk away if they aren’t comfortable with the number but is also indicating you still haven’t made up your mind and it would still just be “considering” the Flames offer.

It still isn’t perfect and could be handled a lot better but I think that’s still in “good faith” as long as it’s transparent.

If you say “We stay if you meet this price” and then still don’t stay though…that’s BS

I disagree. You don’t negotiate numbers unless you’re ready to go through with it, whatever you are negotiating.

[PeteMoss]

The idea Murray would be used to agreeing to terms over a handshake.....Like the arena deal?

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yeah the story really does check out when you think about all the events of the last 24 hours.

The only thing I’d say that would probably be grey area would be how exactly did Gaudreau’s camp word the ask:

Was it “Final Counter: $10.5M for 8 years and we are staying in Calgary”

Or was it:

“It would need to be $10.5M x 8 years for Johnny to consider staying”

Because there is a big difference in how that’s worded and what that’s indicating to the Flames.

If it was the former and it seemed more like it’s a done deal if you meet this price then #### Johnny.

In a negotiation...those two things are identical. The only difference in the second is hammering our ntc/nmc and payment terms

[Flamescuprun2018]

Originally Posted by iggyntangs

Take this for what it's worth, but here's what I heard from a source (close to the Flames organization, I'm sure biased).

But earlier Tuesday, Gross came up with an ultimatum offer that said the Flames had to match, take it or leave it otherwise Gaudreau would test free agency.

The Flames by mid-day, met the offer to a tee and Gross and Gaudreau went radio silent for the rest of the day.

Came back hours before the FA deadline and were informed Gaudreau was testing FA (because of his family, wife specifically) to move out East.

Edwards was part of either that or one of these final calls (believe Treliving had a separate private call with Johnny directly after as well). But I'm the Edwards call, he flipped out and called out Johnny for playing games, wasting their time and handcuffing them, in a really unprofessional manner to do this after they met their exact ask.

The part I'm personally speculating about now is this is probably why Johnny hasn't really addressed The Flames, fans and etc. directly yet, likely very stung by the whole ordeal but I also think he knows he really botched this.

Last piece I'm personally speculating about is that I do not think Columbus was very high on his list but his wife was very open to it, especially after everything else fell thru on their top destination(s).

Take the above for what you will.

Thank-you for this. Even if it can never be verified for obvious reasons.

This connects several dots of the last 48 hours so very plausible to me.

1. Explains the rejected offer confirmed by some sources to be 8X10.5 which is exactly the midpoint between both parties initial offers. 9.5 and 11.5

2. It explains why Johnny ended up getting less. This was always about Johnny's wife/family not wanting to be in Calgary and not the dollars.

3. It explains why Johnny is suddenly sour on Calgary and has made no effort to say thanks. Being called out by Edwards.

4. It explains Johnny's BJ interviews and frequent looks to his spouse at those interviews.

5. It explains why would an athlete destroy his legacy with his beloved fanbase. They wouldn't. This decision was never his to make, even though he might have thought it was!

Poor Johnny. Best of luck to him.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by MrMike

We’ll both of these insider stories line right up with filling in the blanks. Makes a ton of sense. Good riddance. Time to move on and create an even better team. With hookers, and black jack!

In fact, forget the team

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

Edward's probably told him he could buy another wife with that salary, and John took it personal.

I'm sorry but this is stupid! I don't call people stupid often.

[GioforPM]

I wonder why they would even give the ultimatum if they didn’t plan on accepting. Maybe it was done without asking the fam and then the fam stepped in and said no, not even then.

[memphusk]

If it was enough to piss off the guybthatbpaid for the chartered flight to sign him in the first place, I will stay on his side. Say what you want about Edward's but he has done nothing but let this team spend.

[Hackey]

That story of events makes a lot of sense.

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by iggyntangs

Take this for what it's worth, but here's what I heard from a source (close to the Flames organization, I'm sure biased).

But earlier Tuesday, Gross came up with an ultimatum offer that said the Flames had to match, take it or leave it otherwise Gaudreau would test free agency.

The Flames by mid-day, met the offer to a tee and Gross and Gaudreau went radio silent for the rest of the day.

Came back hours before the FA deadline and were informed Gaudreau was testing FA (because of his family, wife specifically) to move out East.

Edwards was part of either that or one of these final calls (believe Treliving had a separate private call with Johnny directly after as well). But I'm the Edwards call, he flipped out and called out Johnny for playing games, wasting their time and handcuffing them, in a really unprofessional manner to do this after they met their exact ask.

The part I'm personally speculating about now is this is probably why Johnny hasn't really addressed The Flames, fans and etc. directly yet, likely very stung by the whole ordeal but I also think he knows he really botched this.

Last piece I'm personally speculating about is that I do not think Columbus was very high on his list but his wife was very open to it, especially after everything else fell thru on their top destination(s).

Take the above for what you will.

I'm sure there's more to the story, but all of this tracks and fills in the blanks. From the lukewarm Flames' social media posts to Tre's emotional press conference where he seemed to be angry if anything, to how weird the choice of Columbus panned out. And even though I'm no Edwards fan, I've been around enough old-school O&G executives to know how they'd handle a move like that, especially if it was their own money. Good on him for blasting Johnny this way, he deserves it for stringing people along like this.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

The idea Murray would be used to agreeing to terms over a handshake.....Like the arena deal?

In a boardroom surrounded by people - it happens all the time. You discuss, agree on the terms and then turn to the flunkies like me and say “get it papered”. Then go for a scotch.

[Pacem]

Originally Posted by iggyntangs

Take this for what it's worth, but here's what I heard from a source (close to the Flames organization, I'm sure biased).

But earlier Tuesday, Gross came up with an ultimatum offer that said the Flames had to match, take it or leave it otherwise Gaudreau would test free agency.

The Flames by mid-day, met the offer to a tee and Gross and Gaudreau went radio silent for the rest of the day.

Came back hours before the FA deadline and were informed Gaudreau was testing FA (because of his family, wife specifically) to move out East.

Edwards was part of either that or one of these final calls (believe Treliving had a separate private call with Johnny directly after as well). But I'm the Edwards call, he flipped out and called out Johnny for playing games, wasting their time and handcuffing them, in a really unprofessional manner to do this after they met their exact ask.

The part I'm personally speculating about now is this is probably why Johnny hasn't really addressed The Flames, fans and etc. directly yet, likely very stung by the whole ordeal but I also think he knows he really botched this.

Last piece I'm personally speculating about is that I do not think Columbus was very high on his list but his wife was very open to it, especially after everything else fell thru on their top destination(s).

Take the above for what you will.

Makes way to much sense. Get out of here with that kind of junk.

[Roof-Daddy]

This kind of crap is why I only expect bad things to happen as a fan of this team.

If that story is true (which I highly suspect it is) I don't even know what to say anymore.