2022 Freedumb Convoy(s) Thread

[FlamesAddiction]

You can buy tickets to go see Tamara Lich live.

https://www.rebelnews.com/rebellive2022_toronto

Here is the email that is apparently being spammed out to people:

https://i.redd.it/432k5zaaqn0a1.jpg

[marsplasticeraser]

Originally Posted by Sliver

True, but it is pretty weak leadership. Not following your own "strong recommendation" is setting a poor example.

Would you be upset by his 'hypocrisy' if he said people didn't need masks but then chose to wear a mask himself?

He wasn't making a moral judgement in recommending masks, or forcing people to wear masks. He recommended and left it up to people to make their own decision.

Again, you don't know his medical history, so perhaps he just had covid or RSV, and the chances of him getting again are very low so it's worth the risk to not wear a mask?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

You can buy tickets to go see Tamara Lich live.

https://www.rebelnews.com/rebellive2022_toronto

Here is the email that is apparently being spammed out to people:

https://i.redd.it/432k5zaaqn0a1.jpg

I wonder if there will be an autograph session

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

You can buy tickets to go see Tamara Lich live.

https://www.rebelnews.com/rebellive2022_toronto

Here is the email that is apparently being spammed out to people:

https://i.redd.it/432k5zaaqn0a1.jpg

Did the bail conditions get revoked at some point? Or she just doesn't GAF about the justice system?

Her persecution complex also belies the reality that all of her legal problems are self inflicted.

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by Slava

Yeah, I think that the teachers/substitutes is where the main issue is. I'm not entirely sure what could be done about that though? After watching my kids go through online learning during Covid I feel like that was great for the not getting sick aspect, and horrible for the socialization and even actual learning aspect.

Right, but we can't have it both ways.

Either we want in person learning and are willing to invest in and do what makes it sustainable, or we default to online because the entire system collapses under the strain. Which is really what going online signifies.

So two really easy things:

1. Hire more support staff, substitutes, teachers.

Bolstered by:

2. Looking at health measures that reduce transmission and keep students and teachers in classrooms.

[redforever]

Originally Posted by Slava

I think it's really tough. I stay home for sure when I'm sick because I think it's ignorant to run around and infect other people. At the same time, the best cure for a cold is 10 days...if everyone stays home for 10 days every time they get a cold it will wreak havoc on a lot of things. At some point there has to be a line there where you can live your life and "it's just a cold", right?

However, if people actually did stay home when sick, flu would not be running as rampant either. You have to be out and about to spread it.

[Muta]

My fave thing about freedumb anti-maskers is that they'll shout until high heaven about how you don't have to wear a mask, and then follow that up by guilting and shaming you if you wear one - thereby hypocritically manipulating you into one decision over the other, which in fact, is not freedom at all, but rather, authoritarian.

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Did the bail conditions get revoked at some point? Or she just doesn't GAF about the justice system?

Her persecution complex also belies the reality that all of her legal problems are self inflicted.

Has nothing to do with anything other than Tamara follows the money and will do/say anything that's required to keep the money flowing in her direction.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Yikes

Has nothing to do with anything other than Tamara follows the money and will do/say anything that's required to keep the money flowing in her direction.

She is like a lawyer's dream. Keep yourself in trouble, but keep making money as well. If I was her lawyer, I would be egging her on and then retire early.

[Sliver]

Originally Posted by marsplasticeraser

Would you be upset by his 'hypocrisy' if he said people didn't need masks but then chose to wear a mask himself?

He wasn't making a moral judgement in recommending masks, or forcing people to wear masks. He recommended and left it up to people to make their own decision.

Again, you don't know his medical history, so perhaps he just had covid or RSV, and the chances of him getting again are very low so it's worth the risk to not wear a mask?

I never said he was being hypocritical - that was a different poster. I said he was showing poor leadership, which he was. If you're going to make a "strong recommendation" then you should follow that recommendation. If you don't want to be a good leader, then do whatever you want including not following your own advice.

You're right I don't know his medical history and maybe he had Covid a month ago. Doesn't change the fact that he's not modelling the behaviour he's strongly recommending others to follow.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

She is like a lawyer's dream. Keep yourself in trouble, but keep making money as well. If I was her lawyer, I would be egging her on and then retire early.

Plus and endless source of funds from rubes. It's a cycle of feces, where the person does something outrageous, Rebel rights a story with a fundraising button, lawyer gets paid, person stays out of jail enough to make more news stories, cycle continues.

Maybe we should have a law that a "news" organization can't crowdfund for the story they cover. Because it just ends up causing the court system to spend more moeny, so the taxpayers lose in the end.

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

You can buy tickets to go see Tamara Lich live.

https://www.rebelnews.com/rebellive2022_toronto

Here is the email that is apparently being spammed out to people:

https://i.redd.it/432k5zaaqn0a1.jpg

What a bunch of ####ing losers they have collected

[Yikes]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Plus and endless source of funds from rubes. It's a cycle of feces, where the person does something outrageous, Rebel rights a story with a fundraising button, lawyer gets paid, person stays out of jail enough to make more news stories, cycle continues.

Maybe we should have a law that a "news" organization can't crowdfund for the story they cover. Because it just ends up causing the court system to spend more moeny, so the taxpayers lose in the end.

The Rebel News....Ezra Levant is a total Shill.

[FlamesAddiction]

I like how at the end of the email, she says there are going to be other "freedom experts" there.

[aaronck]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I like how at the end of the email, she says there are going to be other "freedom experts" there.

Yes, and for the low low price of whatever you can afford, they will Free you from your money no problem!

[Slava]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Right, but we can't have it both ways.

Either we want in person learning and are willing to invest in and do what makes it sustainable, or we default to online because the entire system collapses under the strain. Which is really what going online signifies.

So two really easy things:

1. Hire more support staff, substitutes, teachers.

Bolstered by:

2. Looking at health measures that reduce transmission and keep students and teachers in classrooms.

I don't really disagree with you, but I'm not entirely sure how feasible just hiring more staff is to deal with this, at this point? During Covid there was a problem where there weren't enough subs to begin with, and then between illnesses and potential subs not wanting to work in those conditions it forced them to move classes online.

And reducing transmission sounds great. I honestly can't remember, but didn't we have mask mandates and other precautions and still ended up with online classes?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Slava

I don't really disagree with you, but I'm not entirely sure how feasible just hiring more staff is to deal with this, at this point? During Covid there was a problem where there weren't enough subs to begin with, and then between illnesses and potential subs not wanting to work in those conditions it forced them to move classes online.

And reducing transmission sounds great. I honestly can't remember, but didn't we have mask mandates and other precautions and still ended up with online classes?

Yes, but that was coming out of "the best summer ever" so by the time measures were put in place, it was already spreading rampantly. Then the issue was there weren't enough healthy teachers, and the delta wave was causing more severe disease, so they were also managing hospitals in dire conditions.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Yes, but that was coming out of "the best summer ever" so by the time measures were put in place, it was already spreading rampantly. Then the issue was there weren't enough healthy teachers, and the delta wave was causing more severe disease, so they were also managing hospitals in dire conditions.

That’s a little disingenuous though? The online schooling took quite a while and we still had masking and precautions.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

10% is considered outbreak status. So....you are right at the borderline.

My kids school is at 12% and my wife's is around 9%. At that level the number of sick teachers and lack of substitutes has the schools close to going to online learning.

I don't think people are fully appreciating how stressed out the education system is right now after 2.5 years of the pandemic and inept UCP leadership from LaGrange.

There is a drastic need for increased teaching support.

Both my kids schools were at ~20% absenteeism when the CBE sent out the notice yesterday. And they outright said they are focused on in-person learning. Online support isn't in the cards right now, which I think is the right choice, my younger one has been home all week, and barely left his bed until Thursday, even if they were trying to accommodate his absence in the lesson plan he wasn't in any condition to effectively participate. I'd much rather he just get shutdown this week, and have a better level of attention put towards in person learning when he gets back next week.

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by Slava

I don't really disagree with you, but I'm not entirely sure how feasible just hiring more staff is to deal with this, at this point? During Covid there was a problem where there weren't enough subs to begin with, and then between illnesses and potential subs not wanting to work in those conditions it forced them to move classes online.

And reducing transmission sounds great. I honestly can't remember, but didn't we have mask mandates and other precautions and still ended up with online classes?

There is a distinct difference between what the government says it is doing “we are going to hire more teachers” and what the government is actually doing “we are keeping spending flat with inflation”.

They aren’t actually increasing spending and hiring more teachers. They are at best keeping things flat and in actuality falling further behind due to attrition from stress and retirement.

The whole system is teetering on the edge.

We had mandates at a time when there were no covid vaccinations. Currently covid is just one of the problems. Probably the biggest thing is that we aren’t staying home when sick anymore. And that goes across the board covid or not, and just exacerbates the spread of every virus going around.