Mark "Fricken" Jankowski (aka The Big Jankowski)

[Tinordi]

So... those saying that his underwhelming point totals and play were less impatient then they were right?

Just wondering when the sage council will officially allow those to be critical without being called impatient.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

So... those saying that his underwhelming point totals and play were less impatient then they were right?

Just wondering when the sage council will officially allow those to be critical without being called impatient.

While he's not scoring goals as much (but has a higher PPG), he is showing a lot of potential still with top 6 upside. Clarity on the situation won't become clearer until July's development camp, if he's able to play this time, and see how he directly compares to the other forward prospects that are more of a known quantity.

Some people wrote him off pretty much from the get go and have been mostly negative since.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

So... those saying that his underwhelming point totals and play were less impatient then they were right?

Just wondering when the sage council will officially allow those to be critical without being called impatient.

Just because you're right now does not mean you were not impatient then.

[Vulcan]

The guy has the skill and the size and is probably a nice kid but someone needs to light a fire under him.

[868904]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

While he's not scoring goals as much (but has a higher PPG), he is showing a lot of potential still with top 6 upside. Clarity on the situation won't become clearer until July's development camp, if he's able to play this time, and see how he directly compares to the other forward prospects that are more of a known quantity.

Some people wrote him off pretty much from the get go and have been mostly negative since.

It's not about being negative. I don't see how the development camp would give a better read on him at all. You have a mix of prospects of different age at the camp and they don't even play real games, just scrimmages. His season in College is a good enough indicator of his play.

Burke said that Jankowski needed to be more assertive and it's fair to ask if he has taken that advice to heart. It is hard to judge based on stats alone, but the point totals aren't great. People have been excusing it saying that he plays on a defensively structured system that stifles creativity, well, he's 6th in scoring on his team and Providence has reportedly opened up offensively this year. He's in his 3rd year of college and this is the year where most projects breakout offensively and he really hasn't.

I was not one of those that hated the pick at first. I actually liked it cause I thought it was a weak draft and they went for the high upside centre, but the fact is that his progression has been less than anticipated.

There is still time, but his game is going to have to progress significantly in the next year and a half to justify the ridiculous statements by Weisbrod and Feaster.

[SuperMatt18]

I am a little disappointed in his goal output, but at the same time it seems like his shot totals haven't really decreased and his playmaking has went up with many more assists this year.

The thing is he probably won't need to be a top 2 center on this team with Monahan and Bennett here now, but if he can chip in some offense and be a big center that can be strong defensively and win faceoffs that might be just as important, especially in our division.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by 868904

There is still time, but his game is going to have to progress significantly in the next year and a half to justify the ridiculous statements by Weisbrod and Feaster.

Sage advice from council would be to ignore the mindless boasting of Jay Feaster.

[442scotty]

The kid is young and developing.. Might have developed faster playing in the CHL.. Some kids take longer to develop these days then all of a sudden break out at 24/25. He seems to have the tools but does he have the desire ... Guess we will have to wait till he hits the AHL... Hopefully this fall along with his Goalie buddy

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Sage advice from council would be to ignore the mindless boasting of Jay Feaster.

Lets see, 1st round choice, mindless boasting of Jay Feaster and Weisbrod, coming from a third rate hockey program in a strong draft; all to be ignored and have nothing to do with the expectations and the results?

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by 442scotty

The kid is young and developing.. Might have developed faster playing in the CHL.. Some kids take longer to develop these days then all of a sudden break out at 24/25. He seems to have the tools but does he have the desire ... Guess we will have to wait till he hits the AHL... Hopefully this fall along with his Goalie buddy

Can't see him signing this year or turning pro anytime soon. No rush to do so as we've got the cupboard in Addy/Stockton stocked pretty full at the F level. Flames would be smart to let him play his senior year and see if he develops any further. If he doesn't dominate in his senior year, hard to make any more excuses about him not being ready to take the next step and we can let him go back into the draft and recoup a second rounder (and watch Weisbrod sign him in Vancouver).

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Lets see, 1st round choice, mindless boasting of Jay Feaster and Weisbrod, coming from a third rate hockey program in a strong draft; all to be ignored and have nothing to do with the expectations and the results?

What everyone wants to see in this thread is me and you go back and forth for the next three pages. Stop looking for a fight.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

What everyone wants to see in this thread is me and you go back and forth for the next three pages. Stop looking for a fight.

I agree they don't want to see this and I'm not looking for a fight, but I like to express my opinion. You interpret it as looking for a fight, that's your problem.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Worst case scenario is that we don't sign him and get a comp second rounder in 2016.

Just to clarify, if they get a compensatory pick, it will be in the 2017 Draft.

If he plays his senior year next season, the Flames will hold his rights until August 15, 2016. If they fail to sign him by that date, they'll receive a second-round pick in the following year's draft.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

we've got the cupboard in Stockton stocked pretty full at the F level.

Hmm... The Forwards I'd probably want to roll next year would likely be:

Elson-Arnold-(Poirier)
Klimchuk-Granlund-Hathaway
Agostino-Reinhart-Smith
Hanowski-(Jankowski)-Carroll


Would prefer it over some of the guys they're rolling right now (Van Brabant, Tousignant). I can see Jankowski easily flying up that depth chart as the #1 center on the team, though Arnold is a beast.

I don't know how close that puts the NHL team to the 50 contract limit though. It might be time to move Hankowski and Agostino as the poor guys just keep falling further and further down the depth chart even though they look like they could be NHLers on a top heavy Pittsburgh type team.

Maybe toss in Eric Roy as a final LW since we all know at this point he'll never make it as a D.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

I agree they don't want to see this and I'm not looking for a fight, but I like to express my opinion. You interpret it as looking for a fight, that's your problem.

We've gone back and forth on every possible topic in this thread, including the one you quoted me on. Best for everyones sanity to just ignore each other on this topic. The fact that you say it's "my problem" shows what angle you're coming at it with.

[Vulcan]

Depending on how he does, I could see Smith going back for his overage year in juniors. He didn't play much in his first two years of junior and being late developing in hockey and with his later birthday, I don't see this as being a bad move.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Can't see him signing this year or turning pro anytime soon. No rush to do so as we've got the cupboard in Addy/Stockton stocked pretty full at the F level. Flames would be smart to let him play his senior year and see if he develops any further. If he doesn't dominate in his senior year, hard to make any more excuses about him not being ready to take the next step and we can let him go back into the draft and recoup a second rounder (and watch Weisbrod sign him in Vancouver).

I do wonder if a change of scenery would help him. Three years in same program his progress has been steady but not overly impressive. I guess the only other option would be AHL but not sure he's ready.

If he leaves college and signs in AHL the flames lose the fallback option of taking a draft pick? If so I expect the flames to treat him like a sunk cost, assume they will get the pick, unless he surprises them before then

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

We've gone back and forth on every possible topic in this thread, including the one you quoted me on. Best for everyones sanity to just ignore each other on this topic. The fact that you say it's "my problem" shows what angle you're coming at it with.

So you make no more comments about Jankowski and I'll do the same?

[sevenarms]

Originally Posted by getbak

Just to clarify, if they get a compensatory pick, it will be in the 2017 Draft.

If he plays his senior year next season, the Flames will hold his rights until August 15, 2016. If they fail to sign him by that date, they'll receive a second-round pick in the following year's draft.

I believe the Flames have to make a bona fide contract offer to Jankowski. Only if he rejects the offer will the Flames be compensated with the pick.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by sevenarms

I believe the Flames have to make a bona fide contract offer to Jankowski. Only if he rejects the offer will the Flames be compensated with the pick.

Perhaps. Honestly I don't really have a good feel for how the guy is viewed in the organization.
If they take the pick where does it land in the 2nd round? At the very end?

The fact is - a 2nd v. Janko isn't a clear decision. He has not developed to the point that it is a slam dunk - so I think there is a debate to have here within the Flames decision makers about whether they take the prospect or take the pick.