Occupy Calgary/Do Not Merge

[CaptainCrunch]

If they do get these meeting spaces, for fun I'm going to form a counter group tha shows up at these city funded "vibrant public forums". To protest that tax payer dollars are being used to fund them.

I'm sure we won't be welcomed or even allowed in with counter views.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If they do get these meeting spaces, for fun I'm going to form a counter group tha shows up at these city funded "vibrant public forums". To protest that tax payer dollars are being used to fund them.

I'm sure we won't be welcomed or even allowed in with counter views.

In my mind if they do it; the thing to do is start lobbying for other groups.

IE: Brown Baggin' it for Kids, The Mustard Seed, etc. Or have it rotate among "registered" charities. It's our tax dollars presumably it (if we are going to go down this path) should be going to things the majority support.

[CaptainCrunch]

So what does the city say if someone like the Aryan Nations demands that they have a right to those meeting spaces. Or a pro-life/pro-choice group?

[monkeyman]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So what does the city say if someone like the Aryan Nations demands that they have a right to those meeting spaces. Or a pro-life/pro-choice group?

Don't forget about the permanent booth at the plaza as well.
If they think they have concerns about civil rights now, wait until they try denying other groups after they've set a precedent.
Ridiculous!

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by monkeyman

Don't forget about the permanent booth at the plaza as well.
If they think they have concerns about civil rights now, wait until they try denying other groups after they've set a precedent.
Ridiculous!

The Calgary branch of the church of Scientology waits with baited breath. They'll demand a statue of Xenu in the plaza.

[Bigtime]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

The Calgary branch of the church of Scientology waits with baited breath. They'll demand a statue of Xenu in the plaza.

That would be awesome, because we could all build those elementary science class volcanoes and throw little toy aliens into them as they erupt (dropping them from 707 models of course).

[Regular_John]

Christ, sadly unless the judge rules against the squatters I think we're stuck with a permanent shanty town in the plaza.

The city will continue trying to be reasonable with this group, and this group will continue to thumb their nose at bylaws and demand more and more.

Nenshi comes out and says "we're done negotiating with this group" by then bylaw officers go and reopen negotiations with them.

Hope nobody was planning to go skating around Christmas this year in the plaza.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So what does the city say if someone like the Aryan Nations demands that they have a right to those meeting spaces. Or a pro-life/pro-choice group?

All three have been given permits to demonstrate in the past.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

All three have been given permits to demonstrate in the past.

Sure but they haven't been allowed to setup permanent residence in the plaza, nor has the city offered to help enable their meetings, and give them a city hall coordinator to assist them.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

All three have been given permits to demonstrate in the past.

And out of curiosity because I don't know, but have the occupyer's ever applied for a permit of any kind?

[Robbob]

just reading and catching up on this gong show, but in court the occupiers were saying that there was no written complaints about their occupation. Was there not a petition delivered to aldermen? I would think that should count as a written complaint.

[Regular_John]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

And out of curiosity because I don't know, but have the occupyer's ever applied for a permit of any kind?

I can't say with 100% certainty, but I was under the impression that the initial St. Patricks Island group did apply for all the proper permits & worked with the city from the get go (before the Oct 15th march even). Where as the group at the plaza never obtained any permits/permission of any kind.

Going back it sounds like the fracture/split happened before the October 15th march even took place. When the folks at the plaza were asked "why two camps? Why are you not with the group on St. Patrick's Island?" the response was typically "that group acted on their own, there wasn't a consensus reached when they started using the Occupy Calgary name and started making deals with the city"

[Boblobla]

I am so embarrassed these scabs are still camping in Calgary. What a joke.

[Regular_John]

Originally Posted by Robbob

just reading and catching up on this gong show, but in court the occupiers were saying that there was no written complaints about their occupation. Was there not a petition delivered to aldermen? I would think that should count as a written complaint.

In backwards Occupy Calgary's world there were no written complaints delivered during a General Assembly and as such no consciences on the acknowledgment of a written complaint was reached. Thus, no written complaints.

[CaptainCrunch]

I would like to be really clear (god I sounded like Harper there, excuse me while I eat this kitten) I never had a problem with the Princess Island group, they followed the rules, they had real problems with homelessness, and I was happy to see that they got help even though the Occupy Olympic Plaza had to stick their noses in to scuttle the deal, thankfully they failed, the protest in Princess Island was ultimately successful and they're gone now.

This Olympic Plaza thing though is an absolute joke, and even moreso when they did nothing on the Occupy Day of action.

[Regular_John]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I would like to be really clear (god I sounded like Harper there, excuse me while I eat this kitten) I never had a problem with the Princess Island group, they followed the rules, they had real problems with homelessness, and I was happy to see that they got help even though the Occupy Olympic Plaza had to stick their noses in to scuttle the deal, thankfully they failed, the protest in Princess Island was ultimately successful and they're gone now.

This Olympic Plaza thing though is an absolute joke, and even moreso when they did nothing on the Occupy Day of action.

The biggest single difference between the two camps was Paul Hughes identified an issue (homelessness) and acted on it. The quintessential example of "Think globally, act locally", he saw a global movement which he wanted to support, but quickly identified(and acted on) the fact that he needed to make a local connection if he wanted to garner local support/results.

The numbskulls at the plaza simply fell in love with the idea of being a revolutionary and fighting the man. It was all about the fight & movement rather than accomplishing anything.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by jaydorn

The biggest single difference between the two camps was Paul Hughes identified an issue (homelessness) and acted on it. The quintessential example of "Think globally, act locally", he saw a global movement which he wanted to support, but quickly identified(and acted on) the fact that he needed to make a local connection if he wanted to garner local support/results.

The numbskulls at the plaza simply fell in love with the idea of being a revolutionary and fighting the man. It was all about the fight & movement rather than accomplishing anything.

And if that was occupy Calgary, I'd have zero problems with it.

It was effective, focused and it applied a good solution to a big problem for those people, and in the end nobody begrudged the cost of the solution.

[First Lady]

Originally Posted by Robbob

just reading and catching up on this gong show, but in court the occupiers were saying that there was no written complaints about their occupation. Was there not a petition delivered to aldermen? I would think that should count as a written complaint.

Yes. Cory, my husband, delivered it to Gael MacLeod and it was entered into the record (1370+ sigs IIRFC)

Plus there have been many, many calls and emails to 311. (100's maybe 1000's)

Looks like none of that was part of the City's documentation.

Cory wrote on this and feels an incredibly weak case was presented by the city. Link

Which could explain why they are willing to reopen negotiations.

[CaptainCrunch]

I think Cory really insulted the estate of the Lionel Hutz family.

At least Lionel Hutz came to the court room prepared.

Lionel Hutz: Mr. Simpson, don't you worry. I saw an episode of Matlock in a bar last night. The sound was down, but I think I got the gist of it.

[Stay Golden]

i can't believe Silly hall still hasn't squashed this nonsence