Can't you just look at it in a macro sense instead of nitpicking?
America has much higher gun violence rates than it's allies and other developed nations. You can't argue this.
America has the most liberal gun laws compared to said nations.
Can't you put two and two together and realize that if the end goal is safer society, then gun laws similar to the other nations needs to be instituted and the 2nd amendment amended?
It is particularly notable that 2StonedBirds completely ignored this post.
But ignoring inconvenient truths is also SOP of NRA types.
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What police have to deal with. (Endless NSFW language)
That was stupid handling by that first officer, regardless of how stupid/dangerous those guys were. They're off to the side spewing a bunch of crap, so the officer gets up off the guy in cuffs and shouts "You're next, you're next!", and storms over to the two drunk men by himself.
That's just dumb dumb policing. I get your point, and I agree that they deal with crappy people all day long, but that situation escalated unnecessarily the moment the cop got pissed off and started acting out of anger.
Can't you just look at it in a macro sense instead of nitpicking?
America has much higher gun violence rates than it's allies and other developed nations. You can't argue this.
America has the most liberal gun laws compared to said nations.
Can't you put two and two together and realize that if the end goal is safer society, then gun laws similar to the other nations needs to be instituted and the 2nd amendment amended?
Yes, America does. They may or may not have liberal laws, depending on the state. Correlation doesn't equal causation however. Mexico for instance has near firearm prohibition. They have some of the worst firearm related crime rates in the world. They are also perpetually stuck in the middle of drug wars, and corrupt politicians. So there are social issues there driving gun crime. Not guns. So it doesn't always make for a safer society. The problem with such a ban as well is that it takes rights and property away from the law abiding. It will not hurt criminals whatsoever, and that should be the target. Which IMO can be done and at the same time still respect Americans 2nd amd rights.
Some posters have stated they want to see a handgun and semi auto ban, nationwide. Federal legislation to provide for that WILL require an amendment to the 2nd amd. So that is where the nation will have to go if they want those laws implemented.
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So you're saying the USA will have to ammend the 2nd amendment if these changes are to be implemented? What a novel idea. If only the rest of the world would have been telling the US that for the last couple decades or so.
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So you're saying the USA will have to ammend the 2nd amendment if these changes are to be implemented? What a novel idea. If only the rest of the world would have been telling the US that for the last couple decades or so.
Yes, that's what it will take. So get on it right?
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Even though he says he only wanted steak and potatoes, he was aware of all the rapes.
So you're saying the USA will have to ammend the 2nd amendment if these changes are to be implemented? What a novel idea. If only the rest of the world would have been telling the US that for the last couple decades or so.
Constitutions are a living document. It won't take an amendment, but it will take a change in beliefs significant enough to cause the courts - particularly the SCOTUS to re-interpret the Second Amendment in a way that allows for this. Even something back to the early 1970s, before the NRA persuaded the American legal system to 'amend' the amendment into what it is today.
Yes, America does. They may or may not have liberal laws, depending on the state. Correlation doesn't equal causation however. Mexico for instance has near firearm prohibition. They have some of the worst firearm related crime rates in the world. They are also perpetually stuck in the middle of drug wars, and corrupt politicians. So there are social issues there driving gun crime. Not guns. So it doesn't always make for a safer society. The problem with such a ban as well is that it takes rights and property away from the law abiding. It will not hurt criminals whatsoever, and that should be the target. Which IMO can be done and at the same time still respect Americans 2nd amd rights.
Some posters have stated they want to see a handgun and semi auto ban, nationwide. Federal legislation to provide for that WILL require an amendment to the 2nd amd. So that is where the nation will have to go if they want those laws implemented.
First off, I was talking about Americas allies and other wealthy nations. Mexico is not a good comparison. America should compare herself to Britain, Germany, Canada and other such nations.
Secondly, the 'rights' of the law abiding need to be amended simple as that. It's unfortunate, but the way democracy works is that when a few bad apples screw it up for everyone else, everyone else suffers.
Thirdly, yes criminals will very much so suffer. It's simply supply and demand. America currently has let's say 300 million firearms in the hands of citizens. If the 2nd amd is repealed, and a buy back program instituted, and further production of firearms is vastly restricted, the supply drops. Let's now say that there are only 50 million guns in America after the program the majority of which are hunting rifles and shotguns, and only about 50,000 AR-15s compared to the several million before the buy-back. What do you think happens to the price of AR-15s on the black market? Do you think a low-level criminal can afford a $30k AR-15? A $50k AR-15? Do you think high-level criminals are going to be conducting gun violence?
But CroFlames, what about people who manufacture their own guns? That ban needs to happen as well. The law-abiding become non-law abiding if they continue the practice.
I'm not even a citizen of America, and I get my hands on any number of high capacity weapons at a very reasonable cost. And that is the kicker. This stuff is CHEAP.
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Some posters have stated they want to see a handgun and semi auto ban, nationwide. Federal legislation to provide for that WILL require an amendment to the 2nd amd. So that is where the nation will have to go if they want those laws implemented.
As some posters have mentioned, the 2nd amendment was already a change to the constitution. So, it's not like it can't be changed again.
Mu understanding is that the 2nd amendment was originally intended so that the States could pull together a militia that would defend the country. If that's the case then should citizens have the right to own tanks, heavy artillery, jets, missiles, bombs, chemical weapons, jets and nuclear weapons? That's what it would take to raise a militia to defend the US against invasion from outside the country or from tyranny from within. If we agree people should not have access to these types of weapons than we also likely agree that the 2nd amendment is no longer being utilized as it was intended and instead has simply become an excuse for something else.
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