2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Hack&Lube

Maybe Murray Edwards interference killed the Markstrom deal at the 11th hour. Pure conjecture but many have speculated that.

Murray Edwards definitely seems like a "want my cake and eat it too" type of guy.

Wants a contender in 2027 for the new arena. Vetos a Markstrom trade because he wants playoff revenue this year.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

Murray Edwards definitely seems like a "want my cake and eat it too" type of guy.

Wants a contender in 2027 for the new arena. Vetos a Markstrom trade because he wants playoff revenue this year.

I don’t think this is about playoffs. I’m guessing it is even simpler. He doesn’t want to pay someone to work for someone else

[SuperMatt18]

If Flames backed away for some reason after NJ thought they had a deal and Markstrom accepted that would be ridiculous.

Really hope that someone didn't get involved to block a deal...

[OutToLunch]

We know Conroy circled back to other GM's before finalizing the Lindholm deal, maybe he did the same with the Markstrom deal and another gm upped their offer. Maybe someone who was off the table earlier is now available.

[Nelson]

To me, it sounds like hockey operations and Markstrom were on board. But then someone from within the Flames, above Craig Conroy, said no. I can think of only one person.

[tony-soprano]

Originally Posted by Nelson

To me, it sounds like hockey operations and Markstrom were on board. But then someone from within the Flames, above Craig Conroy, said no. I can think of only one person.

Why Jarome would nix the deal?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by OutToLunch

We know Conroy circled back to other GM's before finalizing the Lindholm deal, maybe he did the same with the Markstrom deal and another gm upped their offer. Maybe someone who was off the table earlier is now available.

I don’t think you do that once you get a guy to waive. I’ll think Edwards killed it until other news comes out. Combo of retention being the issue, Markstrom getting asked to waive, and Jersey being mad.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by tony-soprano

Why Jarome would nix the deal?

It's always the special assistant to the GM that's pulling all the strings

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don’t think this is about playoffs. I’m guessing it is even simpler. He doesn’t want to pay someone to work for someone else

God I hope not.

The playoff thing atleast makes sense to me, even if I vehemently disagree with it.

He's paid lots of coaches to not work for him. Not sure why players would be different.

[topfiverecords]

"Uh ya hey Murray it's me Conny...I got your texts but I thought you said using retention was fine if we got a massive return?"

"That was for UFAs, not Markstrom. You tell Tom 'No Retention For You!'"

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

God I hope not.

The playoff thing atleast makes sense to me, even if I vehemently disagree with it.

He's paid lots of coaches to not work for him. Not sure why players would be different.

The coaches don’t get paid if they work for someone else.

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Bonded

The coaches don’t get paid if they work for someone else.

Sutter's getting paid to work on his farm

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Something doesn’t ring true. Conroy doesn’t want to bother Markstrom with trade talk unless it’s entirely necessary, but then messes around *after* talking to him in order to squeeze out another little something?

I don’t believe it.

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I don’t think you do that once you get a guy to waive. I’ll think Edwards killed it until other news comes out. Combo of retention being the issue, Markstrom getting asked to waive, and Jersey being mad.

Why did he agree to retain 50% on a guy like Rittich then?

I don't think that such a good businessman can be so shortsighted.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by traptor

Sutter's getting paid to work on his farm

He’s never cared about that or else there wouldn’t have been player buyouts. He allows cap teams, buyouts, multiple coaches, and a decent sized scouting staff. He isn’t cheap.
That’s why I think it’s got to be something around not wanting to pay someone to suit up for another team.

[Bingo]

There's a lot of leaping to conclusions here.

Conroy would have checked with ownership about a whole range of retention scenarios so Markstrom and his contract wouldn't have been a last second thing.

It might be a deal that was worked out and then retention came up and the two teams couldn't agree (maybe Edwards set a return to high?) and then it came apart.

Devils could still be frustrated in that case.

I don't see Conroy waiting until he has the whole deal including retention figured out before he asked if he could retain on a non expiring contract. He's proven too smart so far to be that reckless.

I think we as fans have to be careful with reports that come out. Guessing they arel always 30% fact, and 70% filling in the blanks.

The filler may not be anywhere close to true.

[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Why did he agree to retain 50% on a guy like Rittich then?

I don't think that such a good businessman can be so shortsighted.

Because Rittich's retention was 50% of 2.75M, prorated for half a season.

Markstrom's retention would have probably been at least 4M over the next 2+ seasons.

[stemit14]

I know it’s been pointed out that Conroy has been given authority to retain salary but I wonder if that only applies to UFAs. For example, I imagine trading Kadri or Huberdeau would be pretty easy if their cap hits were $3.75 million and $5.25 million. I imagine Conroy could get a really solid return for those players under those cap retention circumstances. I’m not saying those would be smart moves as a GM. I know those are the most extreme cases of cap retention but it’s a point against the blanket statement that he has full authority to retain salary.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

Why did he agree to retain 50% on a guy like Rittich then?

I don't think that such a good businessman can be so shortsighted.

It’s been used once on a cheap expiring contract and we haven’t seen it since. I’ll believe it when we see it on a multi year deal.

I also disagree on the second comment, I’ve seen a fair amount of deals that failed to materialize because people’s ’principles’ get in the way. Some of them are legitimate reasons and some are petty.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by stemit14

I know it’s been pointed out that Conroy has been given authority to retain salary but I wonder if that only applies to UFAs. For example, I imagine trading Kadri or Huberdeau would be pretty easy if their cap hits were $3.75 million and $5.25 million. I imagine Conroy could get a really solid return for those players under those cap retention circumstances. I’m not saying those would be smart moves as a GM. I know those are the most extreme cases of cap retention but it’s a point against the blanket statement that he has full authority to retain salary.

Certainly possible.

But in that case you would have the Devils asking and Conroy saying no way Jose and that would be that.

He would know.

He wouldn't head into a Markstrom negotiation that got done package wise without knowing if he could or couldn't retain for Markstrom.

Devils are frustrated because they think the Flames want too much for retention? I can see that 100%.