Brad Treliving needs to go

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Lol.

This isn't an entry level position with a recent graduate. Treliving has been around the game for many years and was an AGM before. He has had 7 years to build a winner and he couldn't accomplish that. He has spent to the cap almost freakin year so he wasn't constrained by anything.

Yes, I am sure he has learned some things on the job but he is getting paid millions of dollars to execute. If he wanted to learn because he is so raw, maybe he should have asked to shadow another GM or take a massive pay cut. I guarantee, in his interview, he sold himself as someone who is ready so let's treat him that way.

It's attitude like yours as a poster why the team continues to be mediocre for decades - "He is a nice guy and should be given a chance". "He is learning". Have you had a job in your life before? Or are you related to Treliving? There is something called accountability - especially when you are in an executive position.

Sure, learn for the first few years if you must. But you shouldn't be learning basics on how to build a team, 7 years into your tenure. What a joke.

So because he disagrees with you he's either never been employed or a relative of the guy you want fired? Oh and btw it's also your fault the team sucks because you are unemployable or a relative of Treliving.

Who writes this crap?

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by TOfan

You assume Toffoli would have wanted to come here. Why?

well, I supposed I should have said "tried to sign Toffoli or someone similar"...

He was on the market for a long time, surprisingly in my mind... He had a bunch of vancouver team mates sign here, close to the west coast, both LA and Vancouver relatively speaking.

He was also Sean Monahan's line mate in junior...

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Bingo

So because he disagrees with you he's either never been employed or a relative of the guy you want fired? Oh and btw it's also your fault the team sucks because you are unemployable or a relative of Treliving.

Who writes this crap?

Yeah, he is a pretty big Flames homer just like you on a pretty typical basis. Its okay though, you will get 100s of thanks because you own the website.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Yeah, he is a pretty big homer just like you on a pretty typical basis. Its okay though, you will get 100s of thanks because you own the website.

Brutal take is brutal.

[Cobra]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Haha. Good stuff man. Honestly made me laugh out loud.

Your takes make me laugh far more.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

well, I supposed I should have said "tried to sign Toffoli or someone similar"...

He was on the market for a long time, surprisingly in my mind... He had a bunch of vancouver team mates sign here, close to the west coast, both LA and Vancouver relatively speaking.

He was also Sean Monahan's line mate in junior...

Were Markstom, Tanev and Toffoli going to make the Flames into SC contenders? for 14.25M for the next 4 years.

There are not a lot of examples of a team buying a top-4 team on the UFA market.


Toffoli signed for 4.25 x 4. Who do the Flames dump or buy out to make the extra 3.5 M in cap space?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Yeah, he is a pretty big Flames homer just like you on a pretty typical basis. Its okay though, you will get 100s of thanks because you own the website.

Way to double down!

Honestly man ... get out of your own head. The world isn't biased or wrong because they don't agree with you.

Call me a homer if you want. I think my game takes are pretty straight forward, called the season over weeks ago.

Maybe you don't see the difference between homer and optimistic from your standpoint.

[Heavy Jack]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Were Markstom, Tanev and Toffoli going to make the Flames into SC contenders? for 14.25M for the next 4 years.

There are not a lot of examples of a team buying a top-4 team on the UFA market.


Toffoli signed for 4.25 x 4. Who do the Flames dump or buy out to make the extra 3.5 M in cap space?

Not sign Leivo, Simon and Nesterov to basement deals and trade Sam Bennett.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Were Markstom, Tanev and Toffoli going to make the Flames into SC contenders? for 14.25M for the next 4 years.

There are not a lot of examples of a team buying a top-4 team on the UFA market.


Toffoli signed for 4.25 x 4. Who do the Flames dump or buy out to make the extra 3.5 M in cap space?

What was the biggest need for the team? Believe we’ve had a gap on rw, specifically a rh shot for some time. The GM determined that d was a priority, which is always the case with him. F depth is neglected and d is always prioritized. There appears to be a lack of balance in his approach.

Same with last years deadline. Don’t need to get a rw to play with Johnny and mony. Let’s get depth dmen and eat up our limited cap space on rentals, despite having options such as stone and kylington available.

Now, maybe tofolli wouldn’t sign here which changes the narrative. Don’t get me wrong, tanev had been a good add. But putting hopes on Simon, Nordstrom, Leivo and Ritchie was an extremely poor strategy to address f depth, especially if Tofolli was open to come here.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

Not sign Leivo, Simon and Nesterov to basement deals and trade Sam Bennett.

You need guys to fill out the bottom of the roster
Not saying those were the right guys but if you didn’t have them, you’d have someone else
And for the most part they are making minimal dollars

[oldschoolcalgary]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Were Markstom, Tanev and Toffoli going to make the Flames into SC contenders? for 14.25M for the next 4 years.

There are not a lot of examples of a team buying a top-4 team on the UFA market.


Toffoli signed for 4.25 x 4. Who do the Flames dump or buy out to make the extra 3.5 M in cap space?

At the end of the day, the Flames are sitting in 24th place, so clearly BT didn't do enough to push them forward in the offseason. 21st in goals for

Would Tofolli been enough to push that needle forward? I don't know...but from watching games, like last year, it's my feeling that the Flames aren't able to manufacture goals when they need one...Would it have taken some other moves to free space? Sure it would have.

I don't think this team has a core that is a SC contender. A playoff team? Yes... it should be a playoff team, but here they are languishing in 24th place OA and 6th in the North...

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Lol.

This isn't an entry level position with a recent graduate. Treliving has been around the game for many years and was an AGM before. He has had 7 years to build a winner and he couldn't accomplish that. He has spent to the cap almost freakin year so he wasn't constrained by anything.

This is untrue. Treliving was constrained by the recent draft picks that still needed to be given a chance (some of who looked very good), the fact that his no brainer first pick was going to bust, the location of his franchise and a relative lack of trading chips aside from mediocre draft picks. Also the fact that Gillies, McDonald, Ortio were all destined to flop.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

You need guys to fill out the bottom of the roster
Not saying those were the right guys but if you didn’t have them, you’d have someone else
And for the most part they are making minimal dollars

and even if he had hit on some bottom-six signings this team still wasn’t going to overcome not having a top line.

Would any of us really be singing his praises if we had Andreas Athanasiou’s 7 goals and 7 assists instead of Josh Leivo’s 4 goals and 2 assists? Would it have made any sort of measurable difference?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

What was the biggest need for the team? Believe we’ve had a gap on rw, specifically a rh shot for some time. The GM determined that d was a priority, which is always the case with him. F depth is neglected and d is always prioritized. There appears to be a lack of balance in his approach.

Same with last years deadline. Don’t need to get a rw to play with Johnny and mony. Let’s get depth dmen and eat up our limited cap space on rentals, despite having options such as stone and kylington available.

Now, maybe tofolli wouldn’t sign here which changes the narrative. Don’t get me wrong, tanev had been a good add. But putting hopes on Simon, Nordstrom, Leivo and Ritchie was an extremely poor strategy to address f depth, especially if Tofolli was open to come here.

A 1C (impossible) and a clear 1G (obtained).

Tell me - did you cheer the Neal signing?

[NewFan]

We are talking about a team which usually in the 10 not trade list most of the players. If BT was GM of attractive US team he may just doing well.
Anyway he knows how to operate this team now. He improved draft team which may be most important part of organization.
I think owners accepted to spend cap limit but they wanted to have a tean can qualify PO every year. So GM tried keep this group and help them with some FA signing.
Who could see this team fails like that before the season starts.

[kukkudo]

Still think Treliving is let go right after the season is done. All front office staff and assistant coaches. Dean Lombardi comes in to prepare for the draft and handles the culture change moving forward.

Or another scenario is they bring Dean Lombardi in as Bob Nicholson role.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

well, I supposed I should have said "tried to sign Toffoli or someone similar"...

He was on the market for a long time, surprisingly in my mind... He had a bunch of vancouver team mates sign here, close to the west coast, both LA and Vancouver relatively speaking.

He was also Sean Monahan's line mate in junior...

Buddy Robinson was Johnny’s linemate.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

A 1C (impossible) and a clear 1G (obtained).

Tell me - did you cheer the Neal signing?

Full disclosure. Yes I did cheer the Neal signing. Was refreshing to obtain a name free agent. And we all know how that ended up.

He did fill the need at G and I still think that was a good signing. After that, there was (and remains a hole at rw). If you can’t plug the hole at C (and yes, #1 C don’t grow on trees), then you look at the next biggest need, which is rh rw.

We crap all over Johnny and mony and deservedly so due to their performance. However, if you have a tofolli riding shotgun with them, maybe their okay elevates and we are having a different conversation. So failure to bring in a higher level rw falls at the feet of the gm, and certainly has contributed to the failure of the team this year.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Igottago

Maybe Johnny and Monahan are gaining experience and knowledge too. The Flames should hang on to them long term. They are just about to get it.

This has been the epitome of this core. "They are just about to figure it out!" "This playoff series was just experience for them to grow since they lack it still." Said on this forum after each playoff series loss up to last years playoffs.

This core clearly couldn't figure it out, and the signs have been there all along. The same could be said about Treliving. This has been a cap team year in, year out. So it's not like he's been with constraints. He just hasn't made the moves that gets this team to advance to the 2nd round in the playoffs.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Full disclosure. Yes I did cheer the Neal signing. Was refreshing to obtain a name free agent. And we all know how that ended up.

He did fill the need at G and I still think that was a good signing. After that, there was (and remains a hole at rw). If you can’t plug the hole at C (and yes, #1 C don’t grow on trees), then you look at the next biggest need, which is rh rw.

We crap all over Johnny and mony and deservedly so due to their performance. However, if you have a tofolli riding shotgun with them, maybe their okay elevates and we are having a different conversation. So failure to bring in a higher level rw falls at the feet of the gm, and certainly has contributed to the failure of the team this year.

Well, he tried and didn’t manage to get Anderson. In order to get Toffoli he can’t sign Tanev (and still loses Brodie). So now there’s a huge top 4 D hole. And maybe Hanifin isn’t as good either.

I think Tanev is more valuable to the team than Toffoli would have been.