2020/2021 Trade Speculation and Rumours

[AC]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Brad might actually pull this off.

All the speculation still seems to be around Boston by default (losing Krug, haven't added anybody yet really), and Nashville.

Nothing reported about Calgary being involved... but hard not to imagine we are given we already almost traded for him and were clearly planning on signing him long term.

However, the reality of trading Gaudreau for almost no money coming back this offseason might be the real issue.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hanifin for roslovic and a pick?
Trade mangiapane and Ryan for whatever picks possible. Sign Hall.

Vegas will sign Pietro and then trade Schmidt to Winnipeg for Roslovic, because Vegas.

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Vegas will sign Pietro and then trade Schmidt to Winnipeg for Roslovic, because Vegas.

Seems to be the likely case. Same guy that reported the Stastny trade the night before it happened is talking about this now.

[Roof-Daddy]

Hall will probably sign in Nashville, and then later on we will hear about how he was all ready to sign with the Flames but Tre just couldn't find a trade partner for Gaudreau that would take him without sending salary back.

Meanwhile teams (####ing Winnipeg for one) will be tripping all over themselves to take massive amounts of salary off of Vegas so that they can sign the elite top defenseman of this UFA class.

[Monahammer]

Hanifin > Schmidt

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by New Era

It is when you are under contract to a NHL team. Seriously, you don't see the problem there and Ho-Sang trying to stick it to his team?



Avery and Downie were #######s, but they were #######s that played their role on the team as instructed. They took the coach's direction and executed their jobs as asked. That is what got them to the show. That is what Ho-Sang refuses to do. He is un-coachable and has authority issues. This is on Ho-Sang.



You're the one who played the race card. I have based my comments on Ho-Sang strictly on his attitude and refusal to play hockey as expected of him. You turned this into a race thing. It isn't a race thing, it is an attitude thing. Ho-Sang has been a problem child his whole life. Race has nothing to do with it. His ego is the problem.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/juni...ders-prospect/

"But one thing stands out. There’s a lone IceDog lagging behind, a slender kid in black sneakers, compression shorts and a grey sweatshirt, its hood pulled over his bulky headphones, his hands tucked into the sleeves like a chilly child’s at the skating rink. His effort level hovers somewhere slightly south of interested as he half-heartedly does his thing several steps behind the rest of the group. When the routine is through, his teammates file off to the dressing room to get ready for the game, but he stays on the concourse, walking around and fiddling with his phone while the Zamboni makes its rounds on the ice below. About an hour later, when the IceDogs spill out for their pre-game skate, he’ll be the last one on the ice and the first one off of it, after stickhandling for a bit, taking a couple shots on an empty net and mostly ambling around. The rest of the team stays out until the buzzer goes."

"His name is Josh Ho-Sang. Just 19 and widely regarded as one of the most naturally gifted players in the Ontario Hockey League, he might go down as one of the NHL Draft’s greatest steals, at 28th overall, where the New York Islanders selected him last year. He might be part of a dynamic, reinvigorated franchise that is moving to Brooklyn next season and building one of the NHL’s most feared cores of young players. He might be a truly special, unfathomably skilled talent for years to come. Or he might be a cautionary tale. He might end up squandering his exceptional talent, as many coaches have warned him along the way, if he doesn’t conform and stop stubbornly doing things his way. He might be a spectacular disaster."

It's always been about attitude with this kid, and nothing has changed.

Ho-Sang wasn't on the Islanders bubble roster and was allowed to sign in Europe for the upcoming season. That is not even remotely an attitude issue, you claiming it is just further validates my point.

Stop ####ing calling it the race card, it is ####ing demeaning to say that anytime someone brings up racial equality and that it is given a name like that. Bringing up race, isn't playing a ####ing card, it's something we deal with every day and people like you want to continually marginalize it with saying #### like race card.

Again bringing up stories from juniors, kids mature. You have provided nothing but useless conjecture about his "character" as a professional.

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hall will probably sign in Nashville, and then later on we will hear about how he was all ready to sign with the Flames but Tre just couldn't find a trade partner for Gaudreau that would take him without sending salary back.

Meanwhile teams (####ing Winnipeg for one) will be tripping all over themselves to take massive amounts of salary off of Vegas so that they can sign the elite top defenseman of this UFA class.

Doubt it. If there is one thing I trust Tre on...its doing his homework. They know what the trade options are out there. They can also go 8M over. I cant see any signing waiting on a trade when there are other suitors...

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Hanifin for roslovic and a pick?
Trade mangiapane and Ryan for whatever picks possible. Sign Hall.

gross

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by tkflames

Doubt it. If there is one thing I trust Tre on...its doing his homework. They know what the trade options are out there. They can also go 8M over. I cant see any signing waiting on a trade when there are other suitors...

I can see people not wanting to trade for Gaudreau until Hall is gone as well. Why give up assets for an elite LW when one is available to sign

[AC]

Based on projections of Mangiapane getting $2.5M and Kylington $850k with Robinson, Rinaldo, and Petrovic up at their league minimum salaries the Flames can really only get ELC players and picks back for Gaudreau if they plan to sign Hall. $950k in cap space with those 2 RFA signings and roster setup.

Gaudreau ($6.75M) for Frost ($863k), a prospect, and a 1st?

Frost up instead of Robinson or Rinaldo is a $163k increase, allowing Hall in for just about $7.5M.

The cap space is SO tight. Moving Ryan for a pick would go a LONG way, but he's a key defensive forward on this team.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hall will probably sign in Nashville, and then later on we will hear about how he was all ready to sign with the Flames but Tre just couldn't find a trade partner for Gaudreau that would take him without sending salary back.

Meanwhile teams (####ing Winnipeg for one) will be tripping all over themselves to take massive amounts of salary off of Vegas so that they can sign the elite top defenseman of this UFA class.

I had this exact thought. I think Hall actually wants to be a Calgary Flame and is giving the Flames time to sort it out. I imagine Flames are looking at all options not just Johnny. Hopefully the Flames can get something done.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I had this exact thought. I think Hall actually wants to be a Calgary Flame and is giving the Flames time to sort it out. I imagine Flames are looking at all options not just Johnny. Hopefully the Flames can get something done.

Tre had over a week to get this done. The draft was the perfect time to move Johnny.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Jeremy Rutherford @jprutherford
Hearing a deal between Alex Pietrangelo and Vegas could be getting close. A decision/announcement may come as soon as tonight.

Course there is

Golden Pieces of Crap at it again.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Course there is

Golden Pieces of Crap at it again.

Knights are going to have to make a bad deal to make this work.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Tre had over a week to get this done. The draft was the perfect time to move Johnny.

Not without having a chance first to negotiate with Hall. How foolish would it have been for the Flames to trade Gaudreau, and then to also miss out on Hall?

Given his reputation, I don't think one can fault Treliving for not being proactive or aggressive.

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[scotty2hotty]

Originally Posted by Blaster86

Knights are going to have to make a bad deal to make this work.

Fingers crossed

[tkflames]

Originally Posted by kukkudo

Tre had over a week to get this done. The draft was the perfect time to move Johnny.

...so...tre dumps Johnny to make cap space for future assets and space...Hall signs elsewhere...and you...what...replace Johnny with Toffoli??

Or...

Tre dumps Johnny for real assets...and you have what cap space???

Or...

You give up an additional asset for negotiating rights only to hear Hall wants to see all the offers. Now you wasted another asset.

I get that the fanbase is impatient and wants an outcome...but when it takes two to Tango...there is no other way to get there. I am sure Tre has discussed hundreds of iterations of trades that he can circle back on if the asset decided Calgary is the place...

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Signing a KHL deal is an attitude problem now?

Ho-Sang is no worse than Avery or Downie and how many opportunities did they get to be pieces of #### at the NHL level? Yet the moment a Ho-Sang or Aliu does shows signs they are essentially black balled.

You do know that when someone complains about the "race card" (which for the record is a pretty vile thing to call an argument for being treated like an equal), the problem is almost always the person complaining about he race card.

Look at how many chances Fistric had before he wore out his welcome. There is a dude that had character issues. I seem to recall a couple of high profile Flames players get disciplined in the past. I would love to know what exactly Ho-Sang's supposed character issues are, but considering how vague people are, I am going to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Ho-Sang is a playmaking RW and would help in an area we need more depth in.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Ho-Sang wasn't on the Islanders bubble roster and was allowed to sign in Europe for the upcoming season. That is not even remotely an attitude issue, you claiming it is just further validates my point.

Read the article. He was not in a position to sign a contract any more than a player on any other NHL team was able to sign a contract. That was Ho-Sang doing his own thing.

Stop ####ing calling it the race card, it is ####ing demeaning to say that anytime someone brings up racial equality and that it is given a name like that. Bringing up race, isn't playing a ####ing card, it's something we deal with every day and people like you want to continually marginalize it with saying #### like race card.

You're the one who brought it up. This had absolutely NOTHING to do with race, until YOU turned into something about race. This is not about race, this about a player refusing to accept direction from his coaches and play a team game. This is about attitude and adaptability.

Again bringing up stories from juniors, kids mature. You have provided nothing but useless conjecture about his "character" as a professional.

And when you say nothing, you mean his team not being happy with his performance, stating that he needs to follow coaches orders, and that his refusal to buy into the team game is the reason for him being scratched? Or do we have to go all the way to pointing out that the Islanders lent him out to another team to get him away from their minor league team because he was not helping his team?

https://nypost.com/2018/01/11/burnin...-josh-ho-sang/

"“He’s a baby,” Thompson said. “He’s a baby, he’s immature and he’s got a lot of growing to do. I’m excited. The upside of him is outstanding. He worked hard today, he’s been working really hard. We all make mistakes, we all have bad games. It’s how do we respond from those and what do we learn from them? Every piece of this season for Josh, with us, is a development piece."

"Ho-Sang is no stranger to healthy scratches in the AHL — he went through them last season before it all clicked and resulted in his first promotion to the NHL."

See, when he applies himself and follows direction he gets rewarded. The problem is he doesn't follow the coach's directions with any consistency and he thinks he should be allowed to do things other players have earned the right to do.



https://thehockeywriters.com/ho-sang...not-nhl-ready/

"Ho-Sang isn’t interested in another season with the Sound Tigers. After it was announced that he was assigned to Bridgeport, Lamoriello stated pubically that Ho-Sang’s agent informed him that the winger had requested a trade."

"Lamoriello told Ho-Sang’s camp that he will try to fulfil their wishes. While he works the phones trying to find a trade partner, Ho-Sang was instructed by the organization to hold off on reporting to their AHL team.

The question will be what compensation the player who recently cleared waivers could get the Islanders. He may not have made the team out of camp, but perhaps there is a franchise in the league who believes his skill set and talents could be of value in their organization."

This is on Ho-Sang.

[btimbit]

https://twitter.com/user/status/1315404588128890880

Typical. Vegas typical

They're going to get away with it too, aren't they? Dump Schmidt, get decent assets for it, then sign Pietrangelo.

Sigh