[POLL] Calgary Flames coaching change mega-thread—with poll

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by zamler

If you are going to hire a coach with middling or poor NHL success there better be some compelling reasons for doing so versus a winning and experience coach.

I completely agree.

[GreenLantern2814]

It would be such a Calgary Flames thing to do to hire Darryl Sutter when Alain Vingeault is available.

The Flames could've hired Laviolette the summer they hired Brent - Laviolette went and took the Flyers to the final that year with Brian Boucher and Michael Leighton.

It seems clear that any of the veteran options would have been better than Gulutzan.

The best players on this team would benefit so much from Alain Vingeault. This is a team built to play fast, not heavy. A whole three players on this roster are built to play Sutter hockey.

They have four more years of Gaudreau/Monahan/Tkachuk at reasonable money. They can't waste that trying to force Johnny Hockey to do what Darryl Sutter tells him when Alain Vingeault is sitting right there. Pay that man and get him some faster players.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by VladtheImpaler

I look at all this from a gambler's perspective... Our GM wanted the team to play a certain style, so he found a guy that clearly "pushed the right buttons" for him and gave it a whirl. Utter failure - two wasted years. Now, whose fault it was - players, coaches, fans - I don't know, but typically in this situation it's a bit of column A and a bit of column B. Feels to me like it's more on the coach, but what do I know. Now, he is apparently going to hire exactly the same sort of coach (in terms of philosophy/tactics), but "meaner", and with exactly the same resume devoid of accomplishments. It could turn out spectacularly of course, but to me it seems like the scenario of the poker player who buys in for $1,000 and proceeds to get outplayed for several hours, loses his buy-in, and reaches into his pocket for another $1,000 because "it was just bad luck and I'll get those guys now". It's called chasing losses, and, sure, things might go differently, but the probability is you will likely lose again. The smart thing to do if you want to keep playing is to move to another table or a lower limit game where your skills might be further ahead.
I admire BT for his commitment to his vision, but I think that in gambling terms, it's a bad bet...

If we're gambling on coaches, there's no safer bet than Vingeault.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

No I didn’t say that.

Oh I imagine there will be a process.

Again, if Tre hires an unproven guy, he is again being the smartest guy in the room. That would take cojones.

I really don’t see how he could sell that to ownership, but you never now.

This "smartest guy in the room" stuff is BS. Does he say what he thinks should happen and then he makes it happen? Yeah, because he's in charge. Ive never heard anything come out of his mouth that suggests he has too big of an ego, can't admit mistakes, or is dismissive of contrary opinions.

I've been in the room with Enron guys, where the phrase was made popular. There's nothing like that arrogance about Treliving. Maybe Edwards, but not Treliving.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The only thing wrong with your scenario is that building a hockey team is in no practical way comparable to gambling in poker.

Poker relates to everything in life... just like Seinfeld.
I am just talking about the aspect of doing the same thing that failed once being a bad bet mathematically. Obviously, there is a lack of information, many nuances, etc, but this is a superficial internet discussion, not a Master's thesis.

[Vinny01]

If the Flames hire Sutter I am happy. I am worried they hire Bill Peters

[Monahan For Mayor]

Originally Posted by driveway

Boy are you gonna hate me when the Kinder Morgan pipeline is finally killed and I throw a party.

Don't hold your breath.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Here are two coaching records for you to compare:

96-65-25 and 2-4 in the playoffs with 0 series won.
141-106-30 and 13-14 in the playoffs with 6 series won.

So, which coach do you hire?

You have to go with total wins. 6 series won vs. 0 is an easy decision too.

[Strange Brew]

Well as a fan, and based on the limited information available to me, I would love to see Darryl coaching here.

Its no fluke he has had success with every NHL club he has coached IMO. This fragile group needs a coach they can believe in and no other available coach fits that bill better than him.

[Flacker]

GG always struck me as a nice guy, and his efforts heading to Saskatchewan following the tragedy certainly affirmed that. So, thanks for that Glen.

I'm sure Cameron/Jerrard are also nice dudes. You don't get to that level in coaching by pissing people off.

NHL coach isn't a position these gentlemen are taking, without knowing you might get the torch and pitchfork treatment.

Poster are excited by what this change means for next year. Expectations weren't met, changes have to be made. Don't mistake that excitement, for joy in their loss.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flacker

GG always struck me as a nice guy, and his efforts heading to Saskatchewan following the tragedy certainly affirmed that. So, thanks for that Glen.

I'm sure Cameron/Jerrard are also nice dudes. You don't get to that level in coaching by pissing people off.

NHL coach isn't a position these gentlemen are taking, without knowing you might get the torch and pitchfork treatment.

Poster are excited by what this change means for next year. Expectations weren't met, changes have to be made. Don't mistake that excitement for joy in their loss.

Most posters are happy that there's a change. There's a few that probably revel in their loss. There's a couple that seem to think GG made decisions just to piss them off personally.

[Minnie]

Originally Posted by Otto29

Ill be honest....im disgusted by those of you who are celebrating people losing thier jobs. Have some empathy.

I agree a change needed to happen but its not the time to celebrate because we all assume the grass will be greener.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by driveway

Boy are you gonna hate me when the Kinder Morgan pipeline is finally killed and I throw a party.

Weird.

[Beninho]

Love when the forum comes alive again! Can’t say it’s a happy day but a day that needed to happen. Thank god Cameron is away from this team

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by nik-

According to Canes fans, his teams can't score goals. And over his tenure there his teams has averaged 27th in the league in Goals per game. (dropping Vegas from the rankings for this season)

And in that time he's had one of the worst, if not the worst, collection of forwards in the NHL to work with.

[the2bears]

Stunning how fast we transferred our rage to a new target

[3rd liner]

What did Paul Jerrard do exactly on the Flames? We all know Cameron was the PP coach. Was Jerrard the penalty kill coach? Because the PK wasn't bad.... I guess these coaches are a package deal so you fire one you fire them all?

[Ashasx]

Sheldon Keefe's win % as a coach is absolutely bonkers.

[Enoch Root]

Jerrard had to be fired because he sounded too much like Gelinas.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 3rd liner

What did Paul Jerrard do exactly on the Flames? We all know Cameron was the PP coach. Was Jerrard the penalty kill coach? Because the PK wasn't bad.... I guess these coaches are a package deal so you fire one you fire them all?

PK. Also defencemen?

Sigalet and Gelinas weren't GG hires so that's why they stay. I'm not sure they are safe. If a new coach says "I'll sign but I want all my own guys" they might yet be let go or given different roles.