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Old 04-11-2016, 07:22 PM   #2041
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I think if Trump released a manifesto it would be greeted with the same pre-judgement of the name. Ie a crazy person just released some crazy demands.

I read manifesto as a list of extreme demands.

So in the NDPs case it's title makes it sound like extreme environmental and social policy and a ban on triggers like clapping. If trump wrote one I'd assume he copied that Oregon militias.

A very poor title.
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Old 04-11-2016, 07:40 PM   #2042
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I guess food justice has to do with the manifesto recommendations of abandoning the farms of the Prairies in favour of “localized” organic farms."

Cause I'm totally sure we could sustain our population with that thinking 😕
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Old 04-11-2016, 07:48 PM   #2043
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I guess food justice has to do with the manifesto recommendations of abandoning the farms of the Prairies in favour of “localized” organic farms."

Cause I'm totally sure we could sustain our population with that thinking 😕
Think about how many hydroponic operations could be built in all the towers downtown once we shut down all those Oil & Gas companies.
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Maybe they can install a chute and a squeeze in Notleys office.
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It's astonishing to me that the NDP has allowed itself to be hijacked by the extremists at a time, when they had every possible chance to regroup and re-establish themselves as an alternative party both Federally and Provincially.

Now? they are nothing but a Communist party under a different name and in this country that will never ever get them anywhere. Thank god.
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It's astonishing to me that the NDP has allowed itself to be hijacked by the extremists at a time, when they had every possible chance to regroup and re-establish themselves as an alternative party both Federally and Provincially.

Now? they are nothing but a Communist party under a different name and in this country that will never ever get them anywhere. Thank god.
I wouldn't classify them as extremists. Certainly may appear that way in Alberta, but unfortunately many people don't understand the industry and have strong opinions. They are far from mainstream though
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I wouldn't classify them as extremists. Certainly may appear that way in Alberta, but unfortunately many people don't understand the industry and have strong opinions. They are far from mainstream though
From what I've read, a lot of NDP supporters are against this too. They view it as pushing their party away from a realistic shot at ever winning an election. Only the most hardcore NDP supports seem to be with them here, and those are the type that enjoy going against the grain and being a minority
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It's astonishing to me that the NDP has allowed itself to be hijacked by the extremists at a time, when they had every possible chance to regroup and re-establish themselves as an alternative party both Federally and Provincially.

Now? they are nothing but a Communist party under a different name and in this country that will never ever get them anywhere. Thank god.
LOL, is this intentional hyperbole? Do you even know what communism is? I don't think the party has been hijacked at all. It's just being directed back to its socialist roots, as Cowboy89 said. Whether you agree with their views or not, it'd be nice to see a bit more pluralism in the political arena than what we've had for the past two decades.
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I see what you're saying, rube, but it could also be argued that if the NDP really do drive themselves off the left cliff that we'll be left with a less pluralistic democracy. Layton really shaped them into a realistic electable champion of the left and there's a good chance that might have been destroyed in a few short days.
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I wouldn't classify them as extremists. Certainly may appear that way in Alberta, but unfortunately many people don't understand the industry and have strong opinions. They are far from mainstream though
Have you not read the manifesto?

If that isn't extremism, then you have a different definition of it than I do.
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In terms of feeding people on this plan, one person did the math based on the hydroponic microfarms that they're basically proposing and he calculated that we would be able to feed Toronto and the rest of the country would starve.
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Old 04-11-2016, 10:09 PM   #2053
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LOL, is this intentional hyperbole? Do you even know what communism is? I don't think the party has been hijacked at all. It's just being directed back to its socialist roots, as Cowboy89 said. Whether you agree with their views or not, it'd be nice to see a bit more pluralism in the political arena than what we've had for the past two decades.
Even if actual communism is not their goal, and I agree it is not, your characterization is equally off base. The Leap Manifesto is not being "directed back to its socialist roots". Its a whole new kind of socialism, which the NDP to date has not even themselves adopted. It is acknowledged by many to be anti-capitalism, even its authors and many highly placed in the federal NDP. Its not communism but its far more to the left than the NDP has ever been. It is suggesting a directed economy in relation to energy production, by creating fake demand and taking away the actual competitive advantage Canada has in the name of a new goal.

Its not a 5 year plan, but its getting awfully close to that.
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I was disappointed when Mulcair didn't become our PM. He was a far better choice than Trudeau. Now the NDP have gone off the deep end. I've been a supporter as they were the party of the working man and trade unions. Now they seem to be against providing construction jobs in BC.

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Tom Sigurdson, executive director of the BC Building Trades, warmly thanked Ms. Bond for her remarks and invited her to attend the national trade union convention in May, where she is expected to talk about joint efforts to enhance union apprenticeship training programs in British Columbia.
“We talk about work in British Columbia for British Columbians first. We want to see that and I know you want to see that as well,” he told Ms. Bond, who received a standing ovation from the union delegates.
NDP MLA Carole James was invited to speak after Ms. Bond, but received a public rebuke from Mr. Sigurdson on the podium over her party’s handling of energy construction projects. Mr. Sigurdson said he was “absolutely shocked” that the NDP would come out against the Pacific NorthWest project – and to do so without warning him in advance.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...ticle29603376/

The BC NDP is also against the $9-billion Site C hydroelectric dam on the Peace River.

It's fine to be idealistic but sometimes common sense needs to come into play when you need to put food on the table.
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anything that's designed or promoted by Naomi Klein lacks any kind of common sense so I don't know what anyone expects.

She's the ultimate hypocritical person with an over inflated view of her own value to society.
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I wouldn't classify them as extremists. Certainly may appear that way in Alberta, but unfortunately many people don't understand the industry and have strong opinions. They are far from mainstream though
The Leap Manifesto is the left wing equivalent of Trump's wall.
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LOL, is this intentional hyperbole? Do you even know what communism is? I don't think the party has been hijacked at all. It's just being directed back to its socialist roots, as Cowboy89 said. Whether you agree with their views or not, it'd be nice to see a bit more pluralism in the political arena than what we've had for the past two decades.
Sorry.

No objective analysis can come to any other conclusion that the NDP has been derailed by radicals. There is no legitimate possibility that they can be described as a national party after the weekend's events.

You lose credibility stating otherwise.
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Old 04-12-2016, 07:35 AM   #2058
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The NDP, honestly, has been hijacked twice. Mulcair and his supporters' efforts to pull the NDP to the centre - to the right of the Liberals even - could be considered no less of a hijacking given where the party started. The problem is that Mulcair's failures as a leader were so significant that it has allowed these fools to hijack the party in the other direction and place the NDP on a course to become an extremist parody of its socialist roots.
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The Leap Manifesto is the left wing equivalent of Trump's wall.
I give significantly better odds of the wall becoming a reality than the manifesto. That's how absurd it is. The Provincial NDPs can't flee from this fast enough it seems.
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It's almost not even worth discussing the contents of the leap manifesto. That's how crazy it is.
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