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Old 09-21-2015, 11:28 AM   #2041
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Here's hoping both the libs and NDP remain neck in neck, and the conservatives can run it up the gut for a strong Con minority.... Or else this province is effed.
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Old 09-21-2015, 11:42 AM   #2042
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If they people surrounding Trudeau are so good then maybe one of them should be leading the party.
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Old 09-21-2015, 11:43 AM   #2043
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He was referring to the fact at that exact moment he didn't know the exact sum of his announcements, and that he would rather talk shop in the interview than having to get a calculator out and determine the exact total.

You think a PM candidate would just openly come out and say they don't care or keep track of how much spending they've proposed? Right


But hey, I'm sure I'll see that posted all over Facebook over the next couple days.
It would definitely have helped Trudeau to have said he didn't know the exact number but it was about X dollars. Or that their plan was to increase total spending by X but haven't announced all items left. Or, you know, to have something prepared for a television interview.

He comes across as arrogant and unprepared. Budgets Balance Themselves(TM)
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Old 09-21-2015, 11:54 AM   #2044
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I think the difference between Mulcair and Trudeau is that Trudeau knows he needs help and will use it. Mulcair is a little too headstrong.

If it comes down to those two parties, I'd rather Red than Orange.
I see it differently.

I agree Mulclair is headstrong and will do what he says he is going to do.

Trudeau does need help, but I do not think he sees that or will use it. That is my greatest concern.
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It would definitely have helped Trudeau to have said he didn't know the exact number but it was about X dollars. Or that their plan was to increase total spending by X but haven't announced all items left. Or, you know, to have something prepared for a television interview.

He comes across as arrogant and unprepared. Budgets Balance Themselves(TM)
That's my favourite, mostly because we apparently saw Harper take no action to balance the budget this past year, yet lo and behold the budget has apparently balanced itself!
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anyways I don't want to derail this thread, so I'll stop now.
No need! I thank you for the input. Please chime in with your knowledge each and every time military spending is being discussed.

It seems the Liberals could have hired you to help them make campaign promises that actually make some logical sense!
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If they people surrounding Trudeau are so good then maybe one of them should be leading the party.
I would be lying if I didn't think image is a big reason why Trudeau got picked. They want the party to appeal to younger generations. It's part of the political game. They took a guy with some desirable base qualities that they knew they could groom,. After all, leaders are made not born.

I also think they got tired of putting their A-Team candidates through the CPC attack ad shredder and went with the guy that could be snappier and more charismatic. You can't blame them after the CPC successfully destroyed the last two. Dion may have been the best leader the Liberals had in a generation, but he lacks charisma.

Trudeau seems to let criticisms slide right off him and I think that is one of the things that drives his competitors nuts.
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Old 09-21-2015, 05:49 PM   #2048
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That's my favourite, mostly because we apparently saw Harper take no action to balance the budget this past year, yet lo and behold the budget has apparently balanced itself!
Or, they projected a deficit that was so modest relative to a 290 Billion dollar budget that it bumped into a surplus when incomes came in a little higher than estimated.



I know you're being flippant, but this shows a trend of progressive restraint in spending after a spending ramp-up during a recession that was decried at the time by the LPC and NDP as being too little by far, and where each subsequent unspent dollar was criticized heavily by the Budgets Balance Themselves crowd.
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Old 09-21-2015, 06:16 PM   #2049
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No where in that picture says he doesn't know or that it's not his job to know. He just mentions he wants to focus his discussion on other stuff. You are just taking the quote (from an image on the internet) and making a huge jump/assumption on that 1 line. He will obviously know his budgets.
Sure and that's fine. So, he could say "the numbers are on our website for these interested in the dollars and cents" instead of being a pompous, condescending prick.
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Old 09-21-2015, 06:42 PM   #2050
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Or, they projected a deficit that was so modest relative to a 290 Billion dollar budget that it bumped into a surplus when incomes came in a little higher than estimated.



I know you're being flippant, but this shows a trend of progressive restraint in spending after a spending ramp-up during a recession that was decried at the time by the LPC and NDP as being too little by far, and where each subsequent unspent dollar was criticized heavily by the Budgets Balance Themselves crowd.
I don't know if it shows progressive restraint or progressive recovery of the tax base and revenue though? When you see why the budget was balanced this year for example it was because of increased revenue, not spending cuts and decisions. If (and it will be interesting to see) the budget was to be balanced next spring that would almost surely be due to increased revenue as well. That's not an amazing decision made by a government; it's a government that got hooked on deficit financing to get reelected and know campaigns against it.
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Besides the pipe dream of another arrow, what would be your solution to our need for a new jet? What is a better fit?

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A friend of mine has posited that like how the F-14 got the F-111B's engines, weapsons system, and swing wing in a smaller lighter airframe, Canada's 5th gen fighter may be an better plane developed using elements from the F-35. One issue with this idea is that the F-35 is already supposed to be the smaller, lighter, cheaper version of the F-22.
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Old 09-21-2015, 08:36 PM   #2052
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.... Or else this province is effed.
That is such nonsense. Does anyone who says this actually have any factual reasons as to why that would happen? Or is it just something to say because you have no real clue as to what you're talking about?
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That is such nonsense. Does anyone who says this actually have any factual reasons as to why that would happen? Or is it just something to say because you have no real clue as to what you're talking about?
The province is clearly in great shape under the current federal government...
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A friend of mine has posited that like how the F-14 got the F-111B's engines, weapsons system, and swing wing in a smaller lighter airframe, Canada's 5th gen fighter may be an better plane developed using elements from the F-35. One issue with this idea is that the F-35 is already supposed to be the smaller, lighter, cheaper version of the F-22.
The Chinese have done this already. Their 5th generation fighter is an almost exact clone of the the F-35 with a key difference. The main flaw in the F-35 is a bloated fuselage caused by the Marine Corp's insistence on supporting a vertical lift fan in their variant. This compromises performance, weapons systems and visibility. The Chinese version eliminates this issue. Maybe we can buy from them
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Do we really think we'll have pilots in the air flying fighter jets in 40 years?
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If the election comes down to Liberals vs. NDP I would much rather have Trudeau. Wish the hatchet jobs would concentrate on Mulcair, he's by far the bigger idiot.
They haven't gone after Mulcair much because they feel that any NDP vote that doesn't like Mulcair will most likely go to the Liberals. They think that they have a much greater chance of getting disenchanted Liberals to vote for the Conservatives.

With the NDP going more to the right (focus on balanced budget, not scraping the F-35s, etc.) and the Liberals announcing policies that tend to be more and more to the abandoned left (deficit financing to stimulate the economy, restoring funding to CBC, etc.), this may change in the near future.
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The Terry Fox Foundation and the family of the Canadian icon deny claims made by the national Conservative Party about its multi-million-dollar campaign pledge to the Fox Foundation.

"We need to clarify that we did not respond enthusiastically suggesting the idea was great as MP James Moore reported in yesterday's Conservative announcement promising to match The Terry Fox Foundation's fundraising efforts this year up to $35 million," the Fox family said in a written statement.

"We would always welcome government support of cancer research in Terry's name," said the family.

"Specifically, we would hope that all federal parties would come together in this the 35th anniversary year, for Terry and all who run in his name, in support of the Terry Fox Research Institute's proposal for a pan-Canadian comprehensive cancer centre strategy."

Britt Andersen, Executive Director of The Terry Fox Foundation, echoed the sentiment.

"As an international non-profit organization, The Terry Fox Foundation is non-partisan," said Andersen. "The Foundation welcomes new investment commitments in cancer research from any and all political parties."

On Sunday Federal Industry Minister and Tory heavyweight James Moore was in Port Moody, B.C., to announce that a re-elected Conservative government would commit up to $35 million to match donations raised during this year's Terry Fox Run.

"It would be nice if the other political parties would all double down on our commitment and stand with the legacy of Terry Fox and say regardless of what happens on Oct. 19 that they will recognize Terry Fox as a hero and will move forward," said Moore, who is not running for re-election.

"But it's a commitment that will for sure be met by Stephen Harper should he be elected."

"They're aware of it," said Moore when asked about the Fox family. "They're enthusiastic and they think it's great."
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They haven't gone after Mulcair much because they feel that any NDP vote that doesn't like Mulcair will most likely go to the Liberals.
That's true... but only marginally so. Liberal & NDP voters overwhelming favour each other as 2nd choice by pretty much an equal margin. The big difference in terms of second choice between the two is that NDP voters are far more inclined to see the Bloc as a 2nd choice.

That said they should go after Muclair more, particularily in Manitoba, BC, Quebec City, and Ontario. There are NDP-CPC swing ridings there and the Tories aren't in the position where they can afford to not put forth a full effort for those.
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That third bullet point though...is this for real? Hahaha cringe worthy
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