The comparison speaks for roles. Not across the board player comparable. 3rd line support role, similar to Backlund.
The game is pillowy soft compared to the 80s to speak to your point. You need a guy that can skate, be smart, and have a decent ability to produce points on the 3rd line, not a warrior. You're getting hung up on the name Otto, it was a comparison of 3rd line support roles.
I've never once dropped the name Otto in this context but it's pretty obvious that's what some are suggesting.
That isn't what was said. He was compared to Otto and there is little comparison. You might as well pick out any third line centre in the NHL and say he's like him. The comparison is lousy, you know it and still chose to defend it.
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Friars won, another in OT. Jankowski with a lone assist had four shots on goal and was his usual self in all around play and in the faceoff dot, which is good.
14 points in 17 games.
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The point is that you have some impression Joel Otto being something Otto wasn't. Joel Otto was not tough in the context of the league at that time. He was difficult to play against, because he was big, strong, and smart. He got into fights, but only because everyone on the third and fourth lines were thrust into those engagements. He was not tough in comparison to many of the players in the lineup.
The comparison being made to Otto is the size, the strength, and the smarts. Otto was not a punishing hitter, but he made it tough on the opposition to beat him in the circle or along the boards. That is where Jankowski is for the Friars. He's big, smart and difficult to play against. You can cheer against the kid all you want, and try and frame his and Otto's play completely out of context, but the fact of the matter is that many of the qualities that made Otto effective are the same ones that makes Jankowski effective in his college career. The Flames have a prospect that can contribute in all aspects of the game. Horrible thing to have.
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The point is that you have some impression Joel Otto being something Otto wasn't. Joel Otto was not tough in the context of the league at that time. He was difficult to play against, because he was big, strong, and smart. He got into fights, but only because everyone on the third and fourth lines were thrust into those engagements. He was not tough in comparison to many of the players in the lineup.
The comparison being made to Otto is the size, the strength, and the smarts. Otto was not a punishing hitter, but he made it tough on the opposition to beat him in the circle or along the boards. That is where Jankowski is for the Friars. He's big, smart and difficult to play against. You can cheer against the kid all you want, and try and frame his and Otto's play completely out of context, but the fact of the matter is that many of the qualities that made Otto effective are the same ones that makes Jankowski effective in his college career. The Flames have a prospect that can contribute in all aspects of the game. Horrible thing to have.
You won't find anywhere I cheer against the kid although that may be the impression I give after many personal attacks. I don't like the Otto comparison because from what I've seen and read Jankowski doesn't play a physical game. So far I don't see him winning the physical battles and that's what Otto did. The only comparison would be that he may one day be able to play the third line role, which would be fine. Who knows he may gain enough strength and confidence to take on an Otto like game but so far I don't see it and I think it's a biased opinion.
So Jankowski's going to be a secondary fighter and take on the Messier equivalent? He may turn out to be a checking line centre but the Otto comparison is out to lunch.
No, Jankowski is going to be the big body C who wins faceoffs and shadows the other teams' top lines out of the game. That's what he's being trained to do in Providence and he's learning the role very thoroughly in their D-first system.
The Messier/Otto rivalry was just an individual rivalry which got heated in the BOA. You're painting Joel Otto as if he was a some kind of goon; he was tough, but he was more of a sound positional player who used his size rather than an out-and-out 'destroyer.' It'll be tough for Jankowski to be as good as Otto was, but I don't see why he can't play a similar style (if he puts on 15-20 more pounds).
No, Jankowski is going to be the big body C who wins faceoffs and shadows the other teams' top lines out of the game. That's what he's being trained to do in Providence and he's learning the role very thoroughly in their D-first system.
The Messier/Otto rivalry was just an individual rivalry which got heated in the BOA. You're painting Joel Otto as if he was a some kind of goon; he was tough, but he was more of a sound positional player who used his size rather than an out-and-out 'destroyer.' It'll be tough for Jankowski to be as good as Otto was, but I don't see why he can't play a similar style (if he puts on 15-20 more pounds).
I know Joel quite well and I can tell you he wishes he had had the offensive talents that a kid like Jankowski has.
He also still wishes he had calf muscles his legs are nicknamed "out of bounds" as in the markers!
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Before we attempt to devalue the importance of being a PPG player for the sake of homerism towards Jankowski, let's not forget Corban Knight was a PPG player in college from his second to fourth years. Yes, defensive system, yadda yadda. But Knight, who was traded back to FLA as it looked like he had become a non-factor for the parent team, was a more offensive player in college.
While you can't discount the guy from becoming an important piece down the road, I don't exactly think there's grounds to boast for Janks' sake, either. Of course the coaches are gonna pump his tires. And scouts within the organization when asked will do the same. They're not exactly going to put a cap on a player they drafted in the first round.
Janks hasn't proven enough to make me a fanboy, and I don't know why he should be defended or attacked. But as fans we should hope for the best. But don't talk like he's proven anything because he hasn't exactly shown he's anything special to this point. Talent is there, just as it is with a lot of highly drafted players, but what they can do with it counts when it comes to play on the ice and results, and while he's winning faceoffs and whatnot, he isn't wowing anybody on the stats sheets, and this isn't his rookie or sophomore season anymore. Also, he still hasn't filled out, being about 20lbs shy of where he should be.
Because of this, I'm taking the wait and see approach, as I can't fall either way with Jankowski at this point.
Friars won, another in OT. Jankowski with a lone assist had four shots on goal and was his usual self in all around play and in the faceoff dot, which is good.
14 points in 17 games.
He was actually not very good on faceoffs tonight as he only went 10/23. But everyone has down games in that regard.
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Before we attempt to devalue the importance of being a PPG player for the sake of homerism towards Jankowski, let's not forget Corban Knight was a PPG player in college from his second to fourth years. Yes, defensive system, yadda yadda. But Knight, who was traded back to FLA as it looked like he had become a non-factor for the parent team, was a more offensive player in college.
While you can't discount the guy from becoming an important piece down the road, I don't exactly think there's grounds to boast for Janks' sake, either. Of course the coaches are gonna pump his tires. And scouts within the organization when asked will do the same. They're not exactly going to put a cap on a player they drafted in the first round.
Janks hasn't proven enough to make me a fanboy, and I don't know why he should be defended or attacked. But as fans we should hope for the best. But don't talk like he's proven anything because he hasn't exactly shown he's anything special to this point. Talent is there, just as it is with a lot of highly drafted players, but what they can do with it counts when it comes to play on the ice and results, and while he's winning faceoffs and whatnot, he isn't wowing anybody on the stats sheets, and this isn't his rookie or sophomore season anymore. Also, he still hasn't filled out, being about 20lbs shy of where he should be.
Because of this, I'm taking the wait and see approach, as I can't fall either way with Jankowski at this point.
Like has been said umpteen times, you cannot compare numbers between schools easily, let alone difference conferences. Knight may have been a point per game player in his final 3 years in college but he also has a couple elite college linemates in Rocco Grimaldi and Danny Kristo. Also in those 3 years there were 9 point per game seasons by players, Providence hasn't seen a point per game player since 2002-03. You can't just ignore the importance of the system in which a player plays.
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Before we attempt to devalue the importance of being a PPG player for the sake of homerism towards Jankowski, let's not forget Corban Knight was a PPG player in college from his second to fourth years. Yes, defensive system, yadda yadda. But Knight, who was traded back to FLA as it looked like he had become a non-factor for the parent team, was a more offensive player in college.
The counterpoint to that is Josh Jooris, who was never a point-per-game player in College and his points-per-game actually declined year over year in College.
Despite that, he was regarded highly enough to receive multiple invites to team prospects camps and the Flames felt they couldn't risk letting him return to college for his senior year without offering a contract.
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I know Joel quite well and I can tell you he wishes he had had the offensive talents that a kid like Jankowski has.
He also still wishes he had calf muscles his legs are nicknamed "out of bounds" as in the markers!
That's interesting, because throughout college Otto put up some really impressive offensive numbers. Much better than Jankowski. He also put up great numbers in the NHL, though it was pretty run-and-gun back then.
Otto is definitely one of my heroes. Undrafted, signed to a minor league contract then a centrepiece of a Stanley Cup Champion team. Why isn't his jersey in the rafters?!
I hope he does go pro next year. He'll be able to physically compete in the AHL and it'll be important to have him grow alongside the prospects. I doubt Sven will still be down there next year, and Poirier may be in the NHL as well. So having him with Granlund, Ferland, Arnold, Agostino, Reinhart, Sieloff sooner rather than later will be important for the future of this club going forward.
his legs are nicknamed "out of bounds" as in the markers! 
