Sven "Fricken" Bartschi!

[sworkhard]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That is what I would have assumed. However, there was a discussion on the Flames site about this. I have included a quote from one post:

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I saw someone post on HF boards that because of his age/date of birth Baertschi will be considered a 20 year old in the CHL next season but because his NHL contract is allowed to slide until he is considered a 20 year old by NHL standards meaning Baertschi could play the entire 2012/13 season in Abbotsford and his ELC would continue to slide.

I was a bit unsure so I looked around for similar cases and sure enough I found one in Zach Hamill. His ELC never began until the 2009-10 season, but he spent the entire 2008-09 season with the Bruins AHL affiliate in Providence after leaving Everett of the WHL, although Hamill did spend 4 season in the WHL so that may play a part.
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I am not saying that this is right, just bringing it up for discussion.

...and then this...

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Since Baertschi was born in 1992 and not 1993 he is eligible for the AHL next year.
And since he signed his ELC at the age of 18 it can "slide" for 2 seasons if he doesn't play 10 NHL games.

So he can definitely play in the AHL next year and if he does not play 10 NHL games, his NHL contract will not actually begin yet

That's matches my understanding of the situation and the CBA. Of course, there's always a small possibility these rules will change for the new CBA, but it seems unlikely.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

This week was the NHLPA rookie showcase. I thought they would have invited Sven.


http://www.nhlpa.com/news/headlines/...-nhl-prospects

Union omits the Swiss due to neutrality.

[Hockey_Ninja]

I'm sure he would be in the AHL or play in Switzerland if there was a lockout.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Baertschi's NHL contract is to play pro hockey. It does not slide a year if he's playing pro, I'm like 95%+ sure of that. Not sure about this Zach Hammill example, don't have the info to judge whether that is true or not.

[GreenLantern]

Ya it doesn't make sense that his contract would "slide" (is that an official term?).

So does that mean his 3 year contract somehow becomes a 4 year without his permission?

I would want to see a copy of a standard ELC if this was the case because I have a hard time believing there is a clause specifically for players in his age situation.

[Reanimate]

I'm pretty sure if they haven't had a season of NHL play under their belt, the contract slides if they are junior eligible.

[speeds]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Baertschi's NHL contract is to play pro hockey. It does not slide a year if he's playing pro, I'm like 95%+ sure of that. Not sure about this Zach Hammill example, don't have the info to judge whether that is true or not.

The issue with Bartschi is he might be in a "loophole" based on the CBA wording.

Most 19 year old CHL players are not AHL eligible, since they don't turn 20 until after January 1 - the "18 year old" players born between January 1-September 15 in their draft year.

The 19 year old CHL players born between Sept 16 - Dec 31 are AHL eligible in their 19 year old season. The slide rule does not apply to these 19 year old CHLers - an example being Curtis Hamilton of the Oilers last year, provided they sign in their 19 year old year.

Since Bartschi signed in his 18 year old year, it seems like his ELC may well be eligible to slide provided he plays less than 10 NHL games in 2012/13.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by J epworth kendal

Portlands training camp has begun already, and Sven isn't a part of it. If there is a lockout he will be in Abbotsford. Given that you are only allowed 3 over agers on a team in the WHL, and that Portland has 5 at camp, I think they have moved on from Baertschi.

You sure he's not in Portland? A lot of graduating juniors go to their junior clubs training camp to get a jump on their training. Even Kris Chucko went to Kamloops training camp the year he turned pro even though he never played for Kamloops although the Blazers held his playing rights. If he's not in Portland he's maybe working out with a Swiss team.

[MissTeeks]

He wasn't on any of the rosters for their intrasquad tournament on the weekend. Rattie and Wortherspoon were.

http://www.winterhawks.com/article/n...rosters/125082

[Flames Draft Watcher]

So the Flames would be paying him his AHL salary as per his NHL contract and yet that somehow wouldn't use up a year of his contract? That makes absolutely no sense at all and I find it hard to believe that could be possible. He'd be playing a year of pro hockey making the money dictated by his NHL contract so it seems absurd that it wouldn't use up a year of the deal.

What people should find is an example of a player who came over from Europe or dropped out of college and played in the AHL before they were 20. Ivan Huml might have been one, Dipietro another. Hard to find their contract info though.

[speeds]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

So the Flames would be paying him his AHL salary as per his NHL contract and yet that somehow wouldn't use up a year of his contract? That makes absolutely no sense at all and I find it hard to believe that could be possible. He'd be playing a year of pro hockey making the money dictated by his NHL contract so it seems absurd that it wouldn't use up a year of the deal.

What people should find is an example of a player who came over from Europe or dropped out of college and played in the AHL before they were 20. Ivan Huml might have been one, Dipietro another. Hard to find their contract info though.

Smid was a 2004 draftee. He came over at 19, played the entire 05/6 year in the AHL. His contract slid, and his ELC was still in effect for 3 more years after that full year in the AHL (06/7, 07/8, and 08/9), essentially making his ELC 4 years long. He was an RFA in the summer of 2009.

I think Tatar has seen his ELC slide twice even though he's played the last two years in the AHL, so his 3 year ELC would actually last 5 years (assuming the potential lockout doesn't affect that). He was also a Sept16-Dec31 birthday, so he might be a good example for Bartschi's situation?

[MissTeeks]

Flamesnation with an article about Sven's contract sliding:

http://flamesnation.ca/2012/8/30/sli...baertschis-elc

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Baertschi's NHL contract is to play pro hockey. It does not slide a year if he's playing pro, I'm like 95%+ sure of that. Not sure about this Zach Hammill example, don't have the info to judge whether that is true or not.

http://capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=242

His ELC slid in 2007/08 and 2008/09 and began in 2009/10. He played in the AHL full time in 2008/09.

His birthday is September 23rd, Sven's birthday is October 3rd.

The info seems to add up.

[Pierre "Monster" McGuire]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

Flamesnation with an article about Sven's contract sliding:

http://flamesnation.ca/2012/8/30/sli...baertschis-elc

Glad Kent cleared that up for us.

After the news today about the CBA negotiations, I'm really really excited about watching Sven and Reinhart play together.

[Trailer Fire]

I'm actually kind of excited about Baertschi playing in Abby. I think an NHL lockout at this point would do wonders for his developement. He may be NHL ready now, but using the AHL as a stepping stone can't do anything but good. He was a man playing with boys in the W. Stepping into the AHL for a season (or less) will get him accustomed to playing a faster pace with bigger guys. Say what you will about his 5 games.

I'm kind of rooting for a lockout at this juncture.

[squirtle]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

I'm actually kind of excited about Baertschi playing in Abby. I think an NHL lockout at this point would do wonders for his developement. He may be NHL ready now, but using the AHL as a stepping stone can't do anything but good. He was a man playing with boys in the W. Stepping into the AHL for a season (or less) will get him accustomed to playing a faster pace with bigger guys. Say what you will about his 5 games.

I'm kind of rooting for a lockout at this juncture.

...wow seriously?

[Trailer Fire]

Have anything further to say?

[Mitch]

Originally Posted by squirtle

...wow seriously?

Thank you for this insightful post.

[Hockey_Ninja]

Originally Posted by squirtle

...wow seriously?

I actually agree with his points. Sven spending some tine in the AHL would help him out a lot. Playing for a guy like Troy Ward and getting top 2 line minuets (He wouldn't get those minuets in Calgary with the veterans ahead of him). It would be useful for him to use the lock out time to develop making him even more NHL ready. Not sure if he's serious about the lockout comment. For his sake i hope he's joking.

[squirtle]

My very first comment was actually in response to your comment:

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

I'm kind of rooting for a lockout at this juncture.

I'm not rooting for the lockout for any reason but I can see how maybe I took this comment the wrong way.