2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[ComixZone]

...why in the }%^# would you trade a 1st overall?

You do the right thing and draft Lafreniere. You then deal Gaudreau in a package for a young centre or get another pick in the top 10 and draft Rossi at 7 or 8 (New Jersey it Buffalo).

Trading the #1 overall would be the most Calgary Flames thing ever.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

...why in the }%^# would you trade a 1st overall?

You do the right thing and draft Lafreniere. You then deal Gaudreau in a package for a young centre or get another pick in the top 10 and draft Rossi at 7 or 8 (New Jersey it Buffalo).

Trading the #1 overall would be the most Calgary Flames thing ever.

I agree, pick Lafreniere, keep Tkachuk and Mangiapane to fill out the left side, and deal Gaudreau in a package for the best centre possible.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Acquire: The best centre you can

That would be The Nuge. I had no idea he was a UFA this summer.

The rest are just a bunch of meh. At least if you want a top 6 C.

Namestnikov
Granlund
Galchenyuk
etc
Just a bunch of middling players now.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

That would be The Nuge. I had no idea he was a UFA this summer.

The rest are just a bunch of meh. At least if you want a top 6 C.

Namestnikov
Granlund
Galchenyuk
etc
Just a bunch of middling players now.

Not this year.. he is a UFA after 2020-2021.

[dammage79]

Lafreniere is a golden ticket. Cost controlled for what? 7 years minimum? That keeps the Flames competitive and the window open for a long time. Thats how to properly build. We would be lucky to grab a sure thing like that and move questionable motive upcoming UFAs for other young long term pieces as well.

I dont like the fact he's a LW but you take it and run. Flat cap.for 3 years? Perfect, thats what max 3.75m a year cap hit for his ELC and you get instant production?

If that happened, there's a multitude of options to re work the core on the fly. I'm pretty sure its a dream scenario for many teams but if the Flames want to become a perennial threat it helps them the most.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

That would be The Nuge. I had no idea he was a UFA this summer.

The rest are just a bunch of meh. At least if you want a top 6 C.

Namestnikov
Granlund
Galchenyuk
etc
Just a bunch of middling players now.

Flames could also consider a trade. Brad does love to go RFA hunting

[powderjunkie]

Until COVID is more resolved, I don't think teams will have much luck persuading players to waive NTCs. At least not to leave Canada.


Only twice in the last 30 years has drafting a winger 1OA worked out as the absolute right move (Kane, Nash). Kovalchuk and Ovechkin are probably better than Spezza and Malkin respectively, though with hindsight, I think a franchise might still be better off with the Centre in each case...as crazy as it is to say about arguably the greatest goal-scorer of all time.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

That's easy to answer. The Kings and Hawks are perfect examples of teams that went all-in and paid a steep price.

LOL, the price the Hawks and Kings paid to win 5 Cups was immaterial.

You want to win a Cup? You need to pay the price. With no guarantee. Faint hearts don’t win the Cup.

Sure the Sharks didn’t win the Cup, but they certainly contended for one. As I said, no guarantees.

And the Kings have some of the best prospects in the NHL, and are adding more.


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[Monahammer]

Way too much over thinking. Everyone in the sporting world knows that Laf is a better prospect than anyone else in the draft. When is the last time a #1 slot has been this uncontested? McDavid? even he had Eichel.
If there is a clear winner according to all of the pundits, who has preformed at every level and looked fantastic internationally, you take him and don't look back.

Byfield has some of the biggest bust potential in the draft and Stutzle looks like Hischier- fine but not really a game breaker. Laf on the other hand has no weaknesses; he's a strong two way player with excellent puck protection and board play, has phenomenal vision and an absolute laser of a shot. This is the real deal, if we get it we should make the easy decision.

[Flames1217]

I live in QC and have seen Lafreniere play live a few times. No way you trade that pick.

Guy is an absolute stud and will be a 10+ year PPG player. He is going to be a cornerstone player in the NHL without a doubt.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

If you get 1OA as Calgary, I absolutely think that you consider the trade possibility. If you trade both Lafreniere and Gaudreau in the same offseason, you can basically accomplish a full rebuild in one year, and still hold onto all of your core pieces except for one (who many people have penciled out of the lineup anyway.)

You can add a minimum of five (?) blue chip Seattle exempt pieces. That's crazy.

I agree with this, to an extent. If the Flames win 1st overall, I would only consider trading it for 2nd or 3rd overall ++. The reason I keep bringing up Ottawa and picks 3 and 5 is because I think they'd be crazy enough to do it. I do think that Lafreniere is really good but I don't think he's the right piece for the Flames. The Flames clearly need help down the middle, getting one of Stutzle or Byfield would be massive. If you get the first overall pick, you move to 2 or 3 and get one of those guys plus assets. If you can't make a deal with the kings or sens, you just pick one of those guys and move on.

Dream scenario would be win first overall, trade it for pick 3 and 5 and get Byfield and one of: Perfetti, Holtz, Rossi. Trade Johnny for Cozens + 8th overall and draft Askarov.

That would come out to trading Johnny and Lafreniere for: Byfield, Rossi, Cozens and Askarov...maybe even another 2nd or something. That's 4 building blocks for the franchise that would be on ELC's. Then sign Hall and work on Lucic; he considered retiring this past year, maybe you ask him to retire and offer him the same money to be a fitness coach or something.

[TheScorpion]

The most Flames move ever would be to trade Laf plus Lucic for the 10th overall pick, trade the 10th overall pick for the 21st and 42nd picks, and then select Mark Jankowski and Mason McDonald with those picks.

[Hockey-and_stuff]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The most Flames move ever would be to trade Laf plus Lucic for the 10th overall pick, trade the 10th overall pick for the 21st and 42nd picks, and then select Mark Jankowski and Mason McDonald with those picks.

I'm irrationality angry now, thanks.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Poe969

I agree with this, to an extent. If the Flames win 1st overall, I would only consider trading it for 2nd or 3rd overall ++. The reason I keep bringing up Ottawa and picks 3 and 5 is because I think they'd be crazy enough to do it. I do think that Lafreniere is really good but I don't think he's the right piece for the Flames. The Flames clearly need help down the middle, getting one of Stutzle or Byfield would be massive. If you get the first overall pick, you move to 2 or 3 and get one of those guys plus assets. If you can't make a deal with the kings or sens, you just pick one of those guys and move on.

Dream scenario would be win first overall, trade it for pick 3 and 5 and get Byfield and one of: Perfetti, Holtz, Rossi. Trade Johnny for Cozens + 8th overall and draft Askarov.

That would come out to trading Johnny and Lafreniere for: Byfield, Rossi, Cozens and Askarov...maybe even another 2nd or something. That's 4 building blocks for the franchise that would be on ELC's. Then sign Hall and work on Lucic; he considered retiring this past year, maybe you ask him to retire and offer him the same money to be a fitness coach or something.

Trade Johnny and the most surefire prospect in the draft for 4 lottery tickets. No thanks.
Rather take the 'sure thing' that could likely immediately replace Johnny's production then go ahead and make that or another Johnny trade. Way less risk involved. What if all 4 of your guys become Sam Bennetts? Then the flames are absolutely boned.

[Yrebmi]

I had thought LA didn't really covet Laf and were all eyes for Stutzle. If that is true, they probably wouldn't be willing to pay much or anything to move to 1OA.

Montreal wants the home boy at the home draft bad, but has not much for assetts.

Ottawa has the 3OA and 5OA and could potentially move one or both, but would spite to the Habs add any extra fun for them? Is there even a proper rivalry between these teams?

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

I had thought LA didn't really covet Laf and were all eyes for Stutzle. If that is true, they probably wouldn't be willing to pay much or anything to move to 1OA.

Montreal wants the home boy at the home draft bad, but has not much for assetts.

Ottawa has the 3OA and 5OA and could potentially move one or both, but would spite to the Habs add any extra fun for them? Is there even a proper rivalry between these teams?

The kings are absolutely stacked down the middle in terms of young center talent with Vilardi, Turcotte, Thomas, Kupari, Madden, Anderson-Dolan, and Dudas (not to mention still having Kopitar).

They have little to nothing in terms of left wing talent in the pipe line. Laffreniere would be a perfect fit for what the Kings are building.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

I had thought LA didn't really covet Laf and were all eyes for Stutzle. If that is true, they probably wouldn't be willing to pay much or anything to move to 1OA.

Montreal wants the home boy at the home draft bad, but has not much for assetts.

Ottawa has the 3OA and 5OA and could potentially move one or both, but would spite to the Habs add any extra fun for them? Is there even a proper rivalry between these teams?

It was Stutzle over Byfield they covet. I'm sure they'd love Lafreniere over anybody else.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Then sign Hall and work on Lucic; he considered retiring this past year, maybe you ask him to retire and offer him the same money to be a fitness coach or something.

If you paid Lucic the same money to be fitness coach, you might just lose all those draft picks you worked so hard to get for such a laughable attempt to circumvent the cap.


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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

Keep: Lafreniere, Tkachuk, Mangiapane
Trade: Gaudreau
Don't sign: Hall
Acquire: The best centre you can

In the hypothetical scenario Hall has already been signed because his rights were traded for.

[sureLoss]

Something weird is going on in Arizona with their GM. Reportedly not involved in the Hall contract negotiations and there is a chance he might not be entering the bubble with the team.

Elliotte Friedman @FriedgeHNIC
Team travel lists of the 52 people headed into the EDM/TOR bubbles are due at 5ET. One name to watch for will be ARIZ GM John Chayka. Club says it is expected he will be included, but there appears to be some degree of uncertainty