GT: Federal Election

[Locke]

Wow. You know you've got problems when your insane idealism doesnt line up with other people's insane idealism.

[burn_this_city]

Our provincial NDP have come to realized how the bread is buttered, the rest of them still pine for some environmentalist facsimile of communism. These people have no idea how the world works, they come from the fringe of the education and arts community.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Well that was faster then expected.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmont...nger-1.3529980

I thought that I read that this isn't that simple though? Like they would forgo a lot of funding and administration. I don't know, but it strikes me as more than just a name change.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Our provincial NDP have come to realized how the bread is buttered, the rest of them still pine for some environmentalist facsimile of communism. These people have no idea how the world works, they come from the fringe of the education and arts community.

Honestly, let them live their environmental idealism by dropping them off deep in the woods of Northern BC and just leaving them there.

Learn to craft rudimentary tools and start fires with what you've got.

Sorry, we cant give you a lighter, the plastic case is made from oil and butane is a gas by-product. No, you cant have a knife either, do you know what the handles are made of or how much oil is required in the manufacturing process for the blades?

A tent?? A TENT? Are you OUT of your MINDS?? Do you have any idea what polyethylene tarpaulin is made out of or how its manufactured?

A flashlight? Now you're just messing with me. Arent you the one in the photo holding the 'No Tar Sands, No Tankers, No Pipelines, No Problem' sign?

[Slava]

My favourite comment I read so far is that some provincial NDPers are suggesting that the leap manifeso has already cost them 10% in the polls. Its a masterful attempt to deflect, but maybe, just maybe, that slide was due to other policies you've enacted?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Slava

I thought that I read that this isn't that simple though? Like they would forgo a lot of funding and administration. I don't know, but it strikes me as more than just a name change.

Its not there's a whole process to doing the split from what I understand. And the toughest thing is getting all of the Alberta delegates to unanimously announce their intention to split from the federal NDP.

This is a federal thing, not provincial though. The provincial NDP is supposed to be a separate entity.

But the federal NDP'ers do get funding and resources provided by the party including things like office space.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Its not there's a whole process to doing the split from what I understand. And the toughest thing is getting all of the Alberta delegates to unanimously announce their intention to split from the federal NDP.

This is a federal thing, not provincial though. The provincial NDP is supposed to be a separate entity.

But the federal NDP'ers do get funding and resources provided by the party including things like office space.

I don't know if everyone is separate though. My understanding is that if you are a provincial member you're also a federal member. There is no distinction. That is a huge difference from other parties where you aren't a member of the federal arm if you're a provincial party. You could be a Wildrose member provincially and Liberals federally for example, and the party constitutions would allow for that.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Slava

My favourite comment I read so far is that some provincial NDPers are suggesting that the leap manifeso has already cost them 10% in the polls. Its a masterful attempt to deflect, but maybe, just maybe, that slide was due to other policies you've enacted?

Yes, but possible. Any hint of serious discussion of LEAP in the province would destroy the provincial NDP, once and for all. I am actually not sure what would happen here, but the word "revolution" comes to mind.

[Slava]

Originally Posted by peter12

Yes, but possible. Any hint of serious discussion of LEAP in the province would destroy the provincial NDP, once and for all. I am actually not sure what would happen here, but the word "revolution" comes to mind.

It's not possible though. Ten percent of the population doesn't even know what leap is, never mind actually having an opinion on the NDP stance on it. Its deflection plain and simple.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Slava

I don't know if everyone is separate though. My understanding is that if you are a provincial member you're also a federal member. There is no distinction. That is a huge difference from other parties where you aren't a member of the federal arm if you're a provincial party. You could be a Wildrose member provincially and Liberals federally for example, and the party constitutions would allow for that.

Fair enough, I think that ironically the Federal NDP is pretty centralized compared to other parties.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Slava

It's not possible though. Ten percent of the population doesn't even know what leap is, never mind actually having an opinion on the NDP stance on it. Its deflection plain and simple.

Yeah, I have to agree with this. You're not going to instantly lose 10% over a policy that the vast majority of people havent even digested yet. Its far more likely that that 10% was gone long before this.

[Enoch Root]

Not to mention, a 10% drop is not 10% of opinion. if the NDP were sitting at, say 30% and dropped to 20%, that would be a drop of 1/3 of their support (which, presumably, is made up primarily of NDPers).

[Hemi-Cuda]

I knew nothing of the Leap Manifesto before reading it in this thread, but the sheer fact that's called a manifesto does not help their credibility one bit

[nik-]

You don't remember the discussions a few months back about it? A bunch of support from Canadian born actors, actresses and musicians who are already rich and living in LA saying how we should bottom out our economy for some green fantasy in which Canada abandoning oil changes the usage of oil around the world.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by nik-

You don't remember the discussions a few months back about it? A bunch of support from Canadian born actors, actresses and musicians who are already rich and living in LA saying how we should bottom out our economy for some green fantasy in which Canada abandoning oil changes the usage of oil around the world.

That sounds like an Eddie Murphy movie where he wears a fat-suit.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Hemi-Cuda

I knew nothing of the Leap Manifesto before reading it in this thread, but the sheer fact that's called a manifesto does not help their credibility one bit

Why? A Manifesto is just a declaration of intentions and values. It has no partisan connotations.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Why? A Manifesto is just a declaration of intentions and values. It has no partisan connotations.

Ehh, definition wise you're right, but that word was chosen for a reason. There's a reason political parties don't use it any more and people like the Unabomber do.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by nik-

Ehh, definition wise you're right, but that word was chosen for a reason. There's a reason political parties don't use it any more and people like the Unabomber do.

What if someone's policy statement that you completely agreed with was titled as such?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Why? A Manifesto is just a declaration of intentions and values. It has no partisan connotations.

Yeah man, 'connotations' was the perfect term. It very certainly does have partisan connotations.

By the strict letter of the definition you're right but in practical political terms its certainly a term that most prudent politicians would actively attempt to avoid.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by MattyC

What if someone's policy statement that you completely agreed with was titled as such?

I'd still think it's a loaded word and question its choice