Arena Negotiation Discussion v2

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Looch City

Omg someone mentioned the library again.

Do we all drink now?

I have to say that I'm fine with the library but I think it's also totally fair to not be fine with the library just as some aren't okay with funding for the arena. Never understood why it's not cool here to have an opinion either way on these issues.

[nik-]

Probably because so many try to couch their opinion in some economic argument of dubious merit instead of just saying it's their opinion.

[Remember1989]

A message from the Flames on this topic:

...we wanted to keep you apprised of recent information provided by the Project Manager, Calgary Municipal Land Corporation, pertaining to the Calgary Event Center:

“Calgary Municipal Land Corporation (CMLC), along with our partners at The City of Calgary, provided an update to Council at the April 13th closed meeting on the progress of the Event Centre. We started this project by developing principles and a program that would create a building that Calgarians would be proud to have in their city and over the past several months, the team has developed a design to reach that goal.”

“At this early stage in the project, there is a difference in the current budget estimate and the program requirements for the facility. Given the significance and importance of the project, the parties have jointly agreed to pause the project team to allow time to resolve these challenges. The decision to take this pause is the responsible and prudent approach to ensure we find the best solutions to move the project forward successfully, without incurring any additional costs on the project while these discussions progress. The team is working collaboratively to find a suitable path forward” - Kate Thompson, President and CEO, Calgary Municipal Land Corporation, CMLC.

We will keep you informed as more information is available.

[Flamenspiel]

I’d like to see this as an election issue, let the people decide. The CRL is a laughable bait and switch and this is going to cost big bucks at a time when our tax base is shrinking.

Has their ever been a poll on a taxpayer funded arena? I would bet it would be around 70-30 against the arena.

[transplant99]

Calgary, the can't do city.

[The Familia]

Meanwhile Regina, REGINA of all places just built a brand new football stadium, has just proposed a new arena, and also have plans for a new minor baseball stadium! How is that possible? Our football stadium is dilapidated, our arena aging fast and unable to accommodate many shows, and our baseball stadium is abandoned and empty. Oh, and we still don’t have a field house after 50 years, not to mention Glenmore Park and Foothills Park are both dumps with aging and outdated infrastructure and facilities. While we are at it, let’s not forget that most, if not all, of our Olympic facilities are at the end of their lifespan (bobsled track), need Reno’s (oval), or about to be demolished (ski jump towers). Calgary is so far behind in sporting infrastructure it’s laughable.

[Manhattanboy]

This is now an election issue. If there was a vote the proposal would lose for sure. No differently than the Olympic bid.

So be it.

RIP Calgary Flames. I will cheer for the team for all time wherever they are from wherever I am.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

This is now an election issue. If there was a vote the proposal would lose for sure. No differently than the Olympic bid.

So be it.

RIP Calgary Flames. I will cheer for the team for all time wherever they are from wherever I am.

I hope Farkas doesn't use it to get elected. He sucks.

[CPK80]

Originally Posted by The Familia

Meanwhile Regina, REGINA of all places just built a brand new football stadium, has just proposed a new arena, and also have plans for a new minor baseball stadium! How is that possible? Our football stadium is dilapidated, our arena aging fast and unable to accommodate many shows, and our baseball stadium is abandoned and empty. Oh, and we still don’t have a field house after 50 years, not to mention Glenmore Park and Foothills Park are both dumps with aging and outdated infrastructure and facilities. While we are at it, let’s not forget that most, if not all, of our Olympic facilities are at the end of their lifespan (bobsled track), need Reno’s (oval), or about to be demolished (ski jump towers). Calgary is so far behind in sporting infrastructure it’s laughable.

Because our property tax is half as much, and people still argue that it is too high.

City of Calgary Rate: ​0.0047795
City of Regina Rate: 0.00912132

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Calgary, the can't do city.

It truly feels like it could be becoming that now. I'm trying to think of what major things has happened while this council has been in place since Oct 2018 I believe? Come this fall, there may be nothing major except for BMO (is that even going with the prices of material right now?) that has started up construction. Green Line delayed, this delayed, what's next?

It's a bad trend that can easily become worse and hard to reverse from.

[Nsd1]

https://calgary.ctvnews.ca/mobile/cs...urce-1.5387513

There is no official statement about what the differences could be, but a source with direct knowledge of the negotiations, who is not permitted to speak publicly about the details, tells CTV News that the Calgary Sports and Entertainment Corporation (CSEC) requested:

An additional $70 million
The CMLC removed as a project manager
More land allocated for the project
Control over traffic around the new rink

New mayor and council this year, CSEC might as well hold out and wait for a more billionaire friendly municipal government.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Oh I feel so lucky, so fortunate to be living in this garbage city with a garbage climate run by garbage politicians who sit on council because they aren't qualified to do anything else.

I am so angry about this I can't even speak.

Ha ha ha
Thank you, I chocked on my water reading this.

An arena would of mitigated any of those concerns you have?

"World Class City"?

If its any help, I have no doubt there is little reason for me to be gleeful about the arena news beyond that it might get delayed. As I previously wrote, it will get built, and unfortunately for me, I think it will get built with a large amount of public money.

[calgarywinning]

Originally Posted by CPK80

Because our property tax is half as much, and people still argue that it is too high.

City of Calgary Rate: ​0.0047795
City of Regina Rate: 0.00912132

A mill rate doesn't equal a taxation level on property is half as much. It's one part of the whole equation which is three parts.

I'm sure in Regina there isn't anywhere near the number of commercial and residential properties and the values are substantially lower.

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I have to say that I'm fine with the library but I think it's also totally fair to not be fine with the library just as some aren't okay with funding for the arena. Never understood why it's not cool here to have an opinion either way on these issues.

Who the heck said you couldn't have an opinion?

People providing counter points and different perspective isn't saying you can't have an opinion.

Did you just make this up for fake outrage to imply the pro-arena side is being oppressed in their views? This forum is pretty pro-arena, I think its the majority no?

[Manhattanboy]

Originally Posted by Mull

Ha ha ha
Thank you, I chocked on my water reading this.

An arena would of mitigated any of those concerns you have?

"World Class City"?

If its any help, I have no doubt there is little reason for me to be gleeful about the arena news beyond that it might get delayed. As I previously wrote, it will get built, and unfortunately for me, I think it will get built with a large amount of public money.

It's been a while since I looked at the deal structure but as a season ticket holder I am certainly prepared to pay additional user or license fees.

In a perfect world there would be no public funds involved but that kind of deal is not practical here.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by The Familia

Meanwhile Regina, REGINA of all places just built a brand new football stadium, has just proposed a new arena, and also have plans for a new minor baseball stadium! How is that possible? Our football stadium is dilapidated, our arena aging fast and unable to accommodate many shows, and our baseball stadium is abandoned and empty. Oh, and we still don’t have a field house after 50 years, not to mention Glenmore Park and Foothills Park are both dumps with aging and outdated infrastructure and facilities. While we are at it, let’s not forget that most, if not all, of our Olympic facilities are at the end of their lifespan (bobsled track), need Reno’s (oval), or about to be demolished (ski jump towers). Calgary is so far behind in sporting infrastructure it’s laughable.

Man, I missed when Regina passed us as a world class city. It wasn’t in the news

[Mull]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

It's been a while since I looked at the deal structure but as a season ticket holder I am certainly prepared to pay additional user or license fees.

In a perfect world there would be no public funds involved but that kind of deal is not practical here.

https://www.calgary.ca/pda/pd/big-fo...greements.html

Scroll down to the table. Hard to paste here with formatting.

[Beatle17]

No rush by this City. Ring Road was originally discussed since 1973 with original Provincial input by securing land planning in 1974. Nothing happens until 2010 so 40 years seems like a good planning time for anything this city does.

[CPK80]

Originally Posted by calgarywinning

A mill rate doesn't equal a taxation level on property is half as much. It's one part of the whole equation which is three parts.

I'm sure in Regina there isn't anywhere near the number of commercial and residential properties and the values are substantially lower.

Mill rate is a fair way to compare tax rates... Yes there is more than that but it is a simple and quick comparison, yes houses are cheaper in Regina but also the cost of delivering services would be cheaper (Employee Wages would be lower) in Regina.


If you own a $500,000 in Calgary you would pay 2,389.75 a year
If you own a $500,000 in Regina you would pay 4,557.60 a year

[Mull]

Originally Posted by CPK80

Mill rate is a fair way to compare tax rates... Yes there is more than that but it is a simple and quick comparison, yes houses are cheaper in Regina but also the cost of delivering services would be cheaper (Employee Wages would be lower) in Regina.


If you own a $500,000 in Calgary you would pay 2,389.75 a year
If you own a $500,000 in Regina you would pay 4,557.60 a year

I think what Calgarywining is saying, sure, we pay less but that isn't clearly correlated to Regina building an arena, we have larger downtown district subsidizing our residential rates- its too murky and grey to make a general sweeping statement without detailed analysis, and mill rate doesn't provide that context.