Alberta Politics & Government Thread 3.0

[iggy_oi]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

She couldn’t see the picture through her tears. An honest mistake!

If she actually had tears the press conference would have come off as far less of a performance.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by iggy_oi

If she actually had tears the press conference would have come off as far less of a performance.

Danielle Smith

[Harry Lime]

Have any of the fight fighters she takes photo ops with, called her out on the defunding and organizational gutting of the wildfire response unit, that UCP did a few years ago?

That would be good TV.

[MoneyGuy]

It’s sickening that our government sacrificed Jasper for a $3-billion budget surplus. I’m aware national parks are federal but I’ll never forgive the corrupt UCP for this. Never!

[GGG]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

It’s sickening that our government sacrificed Jasper for a $3-billion budget surplus. I’m aware national parks are federal but I’ll never forgive the corrupt UCP for this. Never!

I think before drawing this conclusion we need an inquiry.

Did the cuts to firefighting lead to a situation where they were unprepared in Jasper.

We’re jurisdictional challenges in the deployment of resources an issue

And on and on. You can’t just say cutting the budget caused this as that is lazy and reactionary. First we need to understand the causes then we can be angry.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Delete... already posted.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think before drawing this conclusion we need an inquiry.

Did the cuts to firefighting lead to a situation where they were unprepared in Jasper.

We’re jurisdictional challenges in the deployment of resources an issue

And on and on. You can’t just say cutting the budget caused this as that is lazy and reactionary. First we need to understand the causes then we can be angry.

No, not that’s not how we do things. We need to find blame right now….

Agree, this is our future, this is a tragic event that needs to be understood in an apolitical way that isn’t really a blame finding mission, but is about lessons moving forward.

I have little faith that will occur.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

No, not that’s not how we do things. We need to find blame right now….

Agree, this is our future, this is a tragic event that needs to be understood in an apolitical way that isn’t really a blame finding mission, but is about lessons moving forward.

I have little faith that will occur.

If you cut a budget, and the first to go is the organizational aspect that makes sure that we are prepared to move quickly, with adequate resources, on a problem, then that is on the heads of the people who did the cutting.

Also, it's been years of wildfires, and before that, years of BC wildfires. You could literally see this kind of thing happening miles away. And we had Slave Lake, and Fort Mac, and we gave away a massive stretch of cutting rights to Fraser, without insisting on firebreaks being a priority to access those rights, under the direction of the provincial wildfire unit.

I'm sorry, but an inquiry is not necessary. If you do one, it's to lay charges for wanton neglect of service. Is that a thing?

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GGG

I think before drawing this conclusion we need an inquiry.

Did the cuts to firefighting lead to a situation where they were unprepared in Jasper.

We’re jurisdictional challenges in the deployment of resources an issue

And on and on. You can’t just say cutting the budget caused this as that is lazy and reactionary. First we need to understand the causes then we can be angry.

This would be great. Except I do not trust them to do a proper inquiry.

She has already taken an angle of throwing shade at the municipality over the emergency alert and intimated that further UCP overreach over municipalities would be the answer. Even though that piece of misinformation was immaterial compared to the fact that not everyone received the alert in the first place...which I believe is a provincial system, and therefore a provincial failure.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

If you cut a budget, and the first to go is the organizational aspect that makes sure that we are prepared to move quickly, with adequate resources, on a problem, then that is on the heads of the people who did the cutting.

Also, it's been years of wildfires, and before that, years of BC wildfires. You could literally see this kind of thing happening miles away. And we had Slave Lake, and Fort Mac, and we gave away a massive stretch of cutting rights to Fraser, without insisting on firebreaks being a priority to access those rights, under the direction of the provincial wildfire unit.

I'm sorry, but an inquiry is not necessary. If you do one, it's to lay charges for wanton neglect of service. Is that a thing?

I do not ever defend her, so I want to make that clear. What you are assuming is the cuts had any impact on the outcome here. I’m saying that I can’t make that leap, it may be true and it may not, but we need to find out.

You are correct, we have years of this, and yet we are not adapting. We need to figure this out for real. Canmore, Banff, and many other communities are in line. We need to get serious about this, at all levels of government. One of these days people are going to die.

Pointing fingers at the next level of government and trying to score points and find gotcha moments just pushes the learning out to after the next tragedy.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

I do not ever defend her, so I want to make that clear. What you are assuming is the cuts had any impact on the outcome here. I’m saying that I can’t make that leap, it may be true and it may not, but we need to find out.

You are correct, we have years of this, and yet we are not adapting. We need to figure this out for real. Canmore, Banff, and many other communities are in line. We need to get serious about this, at all levels of government. One of these days people are going to die.

Pointing fingers at the next level of government and trying to score points and find gotcha moments just pushes the learning out to after the next tragedy.

It's pretty clear that the cutting of the entire Rappattack unit had consequences, both in Japser (which was one of three municipalities protesting the move) and elsewhere in the last couple years.

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

It's pretty clear that the cutting of the entire Rappattack unit had consequences, both in Japser (which was one of three municipalities protesting the move) and elsewhere in the last couple years.

Probably did, but it’s likely not the only thing. In complex event analysis you want to dig deep, find all of the items that contributed to this, up to today and beyond. We have to avoid finding the simple one thing and dusting our hands and saying done. We probably won’t, but we should avoid that.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

This would be great. Except I do not trust them to do a proper inquiry.

She has already taken an angle of throwing shade at the municipality over the emergency alert and intimated that further UCP overreach over municipalities would be the answer. Even though that piece of misinformation was immaterial compared to the fact that not everyone received the alert in the first place...which I believe is a provincial system, and therefore a provincial failure.

Yeah that’s my concern as well. You need a real inquiry to identify the causes and solutions here.

[Fuzz]

Earlier in the show, Ms. Smith also raised prospect of Alberta taking over national parks within the province – supposedly as a joke, but not necessarily.

When she and Mr. Loewen first met federal Environment Minister Steven Guilbeault, she claimed, she asked her sidekick, “‘Did you talk to Minister Guilbeault yet about how we’re gonna be takin’ back the national parks?’ I laughed. He didn’t.” (I’ll bet. It will be interesting to see if Mr. Guilbeault has any recollection of that conversation.)

“It was a joke at the time,” Ms. Smith rambled on, “but I can tell you that I think we have the capacity and the on-the-ground ability to respond in a way that should be more unified. If that requires us to be a bit more assertive in trying to change some of the rules around how they manage their parks, how they manage the prescribed burns, how they manage the cuts. I do know we’ll be very, very active in pressing that along.”

https://albertapolitics.ca/2024/07/d...ational-parks/


"It was a joke"? Why TF are you joking about taking control of national parks? What is event he context for that, other than your seething hatred for Guilbeault? In what world should a premier even be thinking that, let alone speaking it? Her mentality is just so ####ed. She's like the micromanager from hell who must control everything but knows nothing.

[MoneyGuy]

Alberta taking over our CPP, policing, national parks? Hm.

[Ozy_Flame]

Drill baby drill

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by GGG

Yeah that’s my concern as well. You need a real inquiry to identify the causes and solutions here.

Definitely. But we also don't need to wait for an inquiry to act. The cause is obvious and the solutions mitigations are identified.

More prescribed burns are needed. But they can only be done under certain conditions, and you also want a big crew (and more on standby ideally). The funding cuts absolutely impair this last part, especially since so many fires are burning year round now.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Whynotnow

Probably did, but it’s likely not the only thing. In complex event analysis you want to dig deep, find all of the items that contributed to this, up to today and beyond. We have to avoid finding the simple one thing and dusting our hands and saying done. We probably won’t, but we should avoid that.

No one said there was an "only thing".

[Whynotnow]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

No one said there was an "only thing".

No there are people who are saying there was a single thing at fault here. Someone up thread said no inquiry is needed, cutting the rapid response funding is the reason and if you are doing an inquiry it’s to find balms so you can charge people.

So yes indeed people here and other places are making singular claims as to what happened.

[puffnstuff]

I just read a twitter thread from the Lougheed constituency meeting that had smith answering questions. I think the premier is a loon based on what was said. And that riding should probably be hurled into the sun.