2023/2024 Trade Rumors and Speculation Thread

[Flames67]

Originally Posted by Sec214

Just a follow up.

It was indeed smoke around Noah last night. I’m told yesterday flames received the answer they’re awaiting from his camp. From what I’ve heard it’s not an extension with Calgary but only one source is providing me with this information. Multiple teams are very interested, Calgary up until this point wasn’t stoking the flames for a trade but according to the same source this may have changed late yesterday evening.

One name to follow is Andrew Mangiapane…

Deeply appreciate when you share this stuff SEC, as a rumour degenerate this keeps the doldrums away.

Not surprised to hear that Mangiapane is out there, has lost his mojo a little but could really turn it around elsewhere. From my memory he's a killer playoff performer.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think if you remove Toffoli, Lindholm, Zadorov, Hanifin, Tanev and Markstrom you don't have to tank.

Just show up and play the games.

But keeping Markstrom is a wild card that could mean the difference between being 9th and 11th in the draft order.

I don't think Markstrom has won them too many games they didn't deserve to win anyway. He kept them close in some losses they deserved to lose bigger. So if that continues they will be fine.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think if you remove Toffoli, Lindholm, Zadorov, Hanifin, Tanev and Markstrom you don't have to tank.

Just show up and play the games.

But keeping Markstrom is a wild card that could mean the difference between being 9th and 11th in the draft order.

We're saying the same thing - by tank, I literally meant trade Markstrom and Hanifin.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't think Markstrom has won them too many games they didn't deserve to win anyway. He kept them close in some losses they deserved to lose bigger. So if that continues they will be fine.

You can probably assume almost half of the third period comebacks do not happen without Markstrom. A lot of those games he played quite well in the first 40 before the team found their legs. I would agree with Bingo and Enoch, trading Markstrom and going with Vladar and Wolf almost guarantees a top 10 pick.

[Dude Where's Makar?]

In a cap world where teams are struggling with space I find it hard to see a scenario where Mangi has any trade value or a suitor to take on 5.8 this season and next?

Obviously there are money in money out scenarios, but I'm not sure I see the point unless its for a contract coming to an end that we could flip?

Mangipane 5.8(minor retention) for Bertuzzi 5.5, then flip Bertuzzi?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I don't think Markstrom has won them too many games they didn't deserve to win anyway. He kept them close in some losses they deserved to lose bigger. So if that continues they will be fine.

But he's almost their best player every game.

Since he came back from his most recent injury he's prevented 13.7 goals more than he was expected in 14 games.

That's a goal a game and a huge impact on the team's performance.

Wolf has given up 0.24 goals per game more than he should in that time period, Wolf 1.23 more per game (only 3 games)

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Aarongavey

You can probably assume almost half of the third period comebacks do not happen without Markstrom. A lot of those games he played quite well in the first 40 before the team found their legs. I would agree with Bingo and Enoch, trading Markstrom and going with Vladar and Wolf almost guarantees a top 10 pick.

Well sure, it would be an 80s Pittsburgh situation. But I'm not sure I want Wolf thrown to the wolves like that.

I'm also very reluctant to pressure Markstrom about a trade. If it's offered, and he says OK, fine. But I just know the NMC was very important to him and not from a "I want control" standpoint, but from a "I don't want to move" standpoint.

[Muta]

I hope Hanifin goes to NJ for Mercer+, then Connie turns to Tre, looks him directly in the eye, and says:

[Shazam]

There's a lot of crap goaltenders the Flames can pick up if they trade Markstrom.

Like... David Rittich!

[PepsiFree]

If Hanifin is on his way out and the best offer is anything less than a 1st round pick for Tanev, I hope they just re-sign Tanev instead.

Still lots of haul left to get, and could easily retain on Mangiapane to make him easier to move, so I really think this may be a case of the value Tanev brings to a young team being greater than the value we get back in a trade.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

This.

I hate tanking, but next year is the one year where they really need to.

If the Flames finish 11-20, the Habs get the Flames pick. If the Flames finish bottom 10, the Habs get the FLA pick. HUGE difference - if the Flames don't get into the top 10, our pick next year will be in the 20-32 range.

Tank next year, get atop 10 pick, then get back to the business of trying to be good.

If Florida finishes bottom than the Habs get Calgary's pick unless it is 1st overall.

It might be better to wait to trade Markstrom in the offseason if the Panthers have trouble keeping their UFAs.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Well sure, it would be an 80s Pittsburgh situation. But I'm not sure I want Wolf thrown to the wolves like that.

I'm also very reluctant to pressure Markstrom about a trade. If it's offered, and he says OK, fine. But I just know the NMC was very important to him and not from a "I want control" standpoint, but from a "I don't want to move" standpoint.

I agree with you on throwing Wolf (and quite frankly all the young players) to the wolves without Markstrom. That is why I am in the keep him unless you are absolutely blown away camp. If you got an absolute haul for him and you did well with Hanifin and Tanev you could have a bunch of room next year and maybe sign a guy like Talbot to a one year deal to keep the team competitive. Not sure having that pressure on Wolf is a good thing in his rookie year, from his development perspective I think it is better to keep Markstrom through the next deadline and have him learn from a pro for a season (assuming the Flames get rid of Vladar).

[gvitaly]

Originally Posted by Shazam

There's a lot of crap goaltenders the Flames can pick up if they trade Markstrom.

Like... David Rittich!

It's crazy that both Brossoit and Rittich are among the league leaders in sv% this year. Talbot was doing great for a spell too, but he came back down to earth.

[868904]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

If Hanifin is on his way out and the best offer is anything less than a 1st round pick for Tanev, I hope they just re-sign Tanev instead.

Still lots of haul left to get, and could easily retain on Mangiapane to make him easier to move, so I really think this may be a case of the value Tanev brings to a young team being greater than the value we get back in a trade.

Yeah but does Tanev want to sign an extension? I'm not sure he would.

He probably wants to win a Stanley Cup, so the only way he stays is if the Flames pay way over market value and that's not a good idea.

If the best offer you get for Tanev is a 2nd round pick at the deadline, then you just take it. He's not going to sign a market value extension here.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by 868904

Yeah but does Tanev want to sign an extension? I'm not sure he would.

He probably wants to win a Stanley Cup, so the only way he stays is if the Flames pay way over market value and that's not a good idea.

If the best offer you get for Tanev is a 2nd round pick at the deadline, then you just take it. He's not going to sign a market value extension here.

I'm pretty sure Tanev will be available in the offseason for the same extension. He might not have even relocated which would assist in the bidding war if there are othere teams interested.

[dustygoon]

Looks like breadman has an 8 team NTC list, so that is reasonably easy to work around.

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by dustygoon

Looks like breadman has an 8 team NTC list, so that is reasonably easy to work around.

Pretty sure he wants to leave

[Harry Lime]

Marek with a long segment on Tampa, and their need for defense is front and center, with the sergechev injury. I would do Huuhtanen and a 2nd for tanev.

He's RH RW putting up almost a point a game in liiga. He's big and he hits. Easy long term rw in the bottom 9, and he was a late pick, so found money for them.

[Shazam]

Originally Posted by gvitaly

It's crazy that both Brossoit and Rittich are among the league leaders in sv% this year. Talbot was doing great for a spell too, but he came back down to earth.

Rittich seems to either play lights out or terribly, based on his 11 games played.

[D as in David]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Marek with a long segment on Tampa, and their need for defense is front and center, with the sergechev injury. I would do Huuhtanen and a 2nd for tanev.

He's RH RW putting up almost a point a game in liiga. He's big and he hits. Easy long term rw in the bottom 9, and he was a late pick, so found money for them.

Taken in the 7th round?!?! Holy cow, that's a win for their scouting dept. On par with some of Calgary's. Kuzmenko, Coronato and this cat down the right side would look pretty sweet.