Canadian Federal Politics Thread v5

[dammage79]

This isn't hard. There's not a single leader that deserves a vote. We should be screaming to the high heavens for a candidate who actually isn't a piece of elitist garbage on some level.

Real leadership is long dead. They've tricked us into this menagerie of false choice where every option doesnt do anything for the masses.

I hate PP, Carney sounds like a well spoken human that doesn't rely on slogans (PP), but is that the bar? To sound like you read a book or two? Is this the best we got? These are the options?

I'd prefer we get everyone to not vote and participate in this rigged dog and pony show. But that's not going to happen. Ppl believe in this system.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dammage79

This isn't hard. There's not a single leader that deserves a vote. We should be screaming to the high heavens for a candidate who actually isn't a piece of elitist garbage on some level.

Real leadership is long dead. They've tricked us into this menagerie of false choice where every option doesnt do anything for the masses.

I hate PP, Carney sounds like a well spoken human that doesn't rely on slogans (PP), but is that the bar? To sound like you read a book or two? Is this the best we got? These are the options?

I'd prefer we get everyone to not vote and participate in this rigged dog and pony show. But that's not going to happen. Ppl believe in this system.

Is that the bar? wtf? Yeah... everyone who reads a book or two can be the Governor of the Bank of Canada and England! lol

[Yamer]

Is Carney really all that awful?

He sounds intelligent, he carries himself well, he has an extensive resume of accolades and accomplishments, and he isn't pandering to nutjobs and the most objectionable parts of the Liberal party.

He still has a little bit of work to earn my vote, but he seems like a sign that competent politicians can exist.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Is that the bar? wtf? Yeah... everyone who reads a book or two can be the Governor of the Bank of Canada and England! lol

That's what I mean. They bring in a guy who does stuff but he's a central banker. And in my historical readings, central banks are bad for ppl and good for business. So really, a well read and educated person serving the means of the dollar vs serving the ppl, that's the gleaming white hope. Fascism or more of the same vice grip on our earnings. Fun options.

[TorqueDog]

It seems Liberal leadership candidate Frank Baylis has a moron for a campaign strategist.

Every Liberal leadership candidate has been sending out e-mail hammering on the big issues: inflation and cost of living, health care, housing availability / affordability, immigration, economy and jobs, and taxes. Even Baylis said as much in his introductory e-mail; he has an agenda to "tackle the cost of living, create good jobs, modernize government, and strengthen our economy". Clearly he got the memo.

Everyone else has continued sending updates to reinforce those points, adding economic warfare from the Trump due to the tariffs. They seem to be paying attention to what people actually give a crap about.

What did Baylis send in his first e-mail since his very on-message introduction? "Donald Trump’s latest statement advocating for the forced displacement of Palestinians from war-torn Gaza is not only morally appalling—it violates international law, global norms, and the values we hold as Canadians and Liberals." That's literally the only other e-mail he's sent.

I can't imagine an issue lower on people's list of priorities for who they'd vote for federally than this. It's like Baylis watched the Democratic Party lose the election and thought "that totally would have worked in Canada".

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by dammage79

That's what I mean. They bring in a guy who does stuff but he's a central banker. And in my historical readings, central banks are bad for ppl and good for business. So really, a well read and educated person serving the means of the dollar vs serving the ppl, that's the gleaming white hope. Fascism or more of the same vice grip on our earnings. Fun options.

Compared to a guy who had no job other than being a career politician and a youtube 2X4 economics superstar?

You know, we'd be living in fridge boxes if the Libs and Carney let Harper and Flaherty let our banks deregulate and go into subprime mortgages in 2007...

[belsarius]

Originally Posted by dammage79

That's what I mean. They bring in a guy who does stuff but he's a central banker. And in my historical readings, central banks are bad for ppl and good for business. So really, a well read and educated person serving the means of the dollar vs serving the ppl, that's the gleaming white hope. Fascism or more of the same vice grip on our earnings. Fun options.

The difference I see in Carney, which may well be his undoing, is that his time as a central banker has seemed to change his view. His books and talks very much focus on how we need to use capitalism to work within our society, not dominate it, which differs from seeing his talks or interviews from the early 2010s. This to me is a stark difference from your standard banker who seeks to have capitalism guide society and that peoples needs will be met by letting capital control the way.

He also refers to economic theories of Friedman and Hayak in the same breath as Smith, Keynes and Marx. They all had coherent points to make, but each have become distorted. He is very knowledgeable not just in banking but he does have a grasp on the philosophy of economic theories.

His focus on environmental concerns are not based on partisanship or extremism. He is clear how his interaction with the insurers at Lloyds of London and their marking of risk as it pertains to climate change makes the threats very real and calculable. He wants to find ways to make today work for a tomorrow, instead of sacrificing tomorrow for comfort today.

That will be easy to twist, and yes, he is still very much in favor of costing carbon, because it is cheaper in the long run than not. That is realism and pragmatism to me, not just following the popular opinion du jour. His opposition to Brexit wasn't based on personal opinions of what the UK should do, but because of the real financial hurt that could, and did happen.

I was very skeptical of him as just another neoliberal banker. But now I see him as a neo-realist. Understanding that capitalism is the way of the world, that people need strong economies, but also that we must control capitalism to fit our human based society, not control humans to fit a capital based society.

He will not be left enough for the lefties, or right enough for the righties - but doesn't that put him in the radical centre?

[dammage79]

Good post Belsarius. Thanks.

[BowRiverBruinsRule]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Is Carney really all that awful?

He sounds intelligent, he carries himself well, he has an extensive resume of accolades and accomplishments, and he isn't pandering to nutjobs and the most objectionable parts of the Liberal party.

He still has a little bit of work to earn my vote, but he seems like a sign that competent politicians can exist.

He has work to do because he isn't a career politician. Maybe that's a good thing.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Is Carney really all that awful?

He sounds intelligent, he carries himself well, he has an extensive resume of accolades and accomplishments, and he isn't pandering to nutjobs and the most objectionable parts of the Liberal party.

He still has a little bit of work to earn my vote, but he seems like a sign that competent politicians can exist.

However, at the moment he does appear to be the most palatable option.

[Looch City]

The question is really simple for me:

Do I vote for someone who stood side by side with the bat#### insane freedum truckers or do I vote for someone who did not?

Either shed the far right or GTFO.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Locke

However, at the moment he does appear to be the most palatable option.

That's my issue really. He appears to be the most palpable, is it because he's got his stuff together and will be a good leader or is it just an effect of how poopy the competition is.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Looch City

The question is really simple for me:

Do I vote for someone who stood side by side with the bat#### insane freedum truckers or do I vote for someone who did not?

Either shed the far right or GTFO.

They were never ever going to vote liberal anyway, so why the #### are they deliberately appealing to them for votes?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Yamer

Is Carney really all that awful?

He sounds intelligent, he carries himself well, he has an extensive resume of accolades and accomplishments, and he isn't pandering to nutjobs and the most objectionable parts of the Liberal party.

He still has a little bit of work to earn my vote, but he seems like a sign that competent politicians can exist.

He’s about as qualified, competent, and centrist as you can reasonably find. He’s not a populist and seems wholly disinterested in catering to neither the far right nor the far left.

Basically, if you want Canada to do well economically without destroying the social structures we have in place, he’s your guy. He’ll put the economy first, and ensure everything makes sense through that lens. He’s got a great understanding of the international economic landscape, and how to ensure Canada operates well within it. He’s basically Canada in a nutshell: a capitalist that truly values the social programs that make Canada one of the best places to live. He might not wildly improve them unless the economy can support it, but he’s not going to destroy them either.

It’s bizarre because he should be a fan favourite of CPC supporters that claim the economy is their number one priority.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by dammage79

That's my issue really. He appears to be the most palpable, is it because he's got his stuff together and will be a good leader or is it just an effect of how poopy the competition is.

I dont have an answer for that, but at least people might consider going for the 'Lesser Evil' as opposed to the American option of 'F it' and leaning into it.

[flamesfever]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

He’s about as qualified, competent, and centrist as you can reasonably find. He’s not a populist and seems wholly disinterested in catering to neither the far right nor the far left.

Basically, if you want Canada to do well economically without destroying the social structures we have in place, he’s your guy. He’ll put the economy first, and ensure everything makes sense through that lens. He’s got a great understanding of the international economic landscape, and how to ensure Canada operates well within it. He’s basically Canada in a nutshell: a capitalist that truly values the social programs that make Canada one of the best places to live. He might not wildly improve them unless the economy can support it, but he’s not going to destroy them either.

It’s bizarre because he should be a fan favourite of CPC supporters that claim the economy is their number one priority.

I tend to agree that he would be the best choice as leader of the Liberals. However, I believe his Net Zero Ideology and attitude related to taxing, may hamper our ability to get rid of some of the stumbling blocks to being successful.

[Azure]

He's a continuation of what we've had up till now.

Like mentioned earlier, the Gerald Butts agenda.

Looks like the top 1% incomers on CP don't see all the issues Canadian face everyday as actual issues. Carney has done or said nothing to differentiate for anything done up till now, likely because he's just going to take the Trudeau agenda and continue with it.

Everything Canadians are so passionate about the last few weeks will be quickly forgotten and ignored just like it has for the last 9 years.

Actually last 20+ years actually. There hasn't actually been a government in charges for decades that was sincerely interested in making the changes necessary to create long-term improvements in how our country functions.

Look at the inter provincial trade issues. They didn't just happen all of a sudden. Its been going on for decades, and specifically was looked at in 2019, but the Liberal bootlickers only care for it now to get political points. In reality nothing will change, which is why they've offered up nothing of substance for 9 years. Just like the Harper government before then. All the reports about losing billions to the GDP, those reports also came out during the Harper years. He just didn't give a #### because he was pandering to the two provinces that are specifically creating the issue with inter provincial trade. Quebec & Ontario.

The Liberals will do the same, as they need those votes.

There will be a big summit, and a bunch of speeches about how we should do this and that, change this and that, but in the end nothing will change.

Same thing with defense spending. Easy to say now that Carney will hit the 2% NATO obligation, but the actual issues with the military have been going on for decades, and quite simply there is nobody in either party who will actually fix it.

That is why we're sitting here in 2025 all of a sudden screaming and yelling at the Americans about how pissed off we are about the ridiculous tariffs, and how they've stabbed us in the back when in reality Canada has been sleepwalking into this crisis for the better part of 50 years.

And now things will change? L O L.

[Scroopy Noopers]

if “as if!” Was a person.

[Goriders]

Originally Posted by dammage79

This isn't hard. There's not a single leader that deserves a vote. We should be screaming to the high heavens for a candidate who actually isn't a piece of elitist garbage on some level.

Real leadership is long dead. They've tricked us into this menagerie of false choice where every option doesnt do anything for the masses.

I hate PP, Carney sounds like a well spoken human that doesn't rely on slogans (PP), but is that the bar? To sound like you read a book or two? Is this the best we got? These are the options?

I'd prefer we get everyone to not vote and participate in this rigged dog and pony show. But that's not going to happen. Ppl believe in this system.

If you don’t like the environmental zealot angle that’s been pumped for the last 8-10 years Carney would be that on steroids. I think he’d be worse for canada than Trudeau if you think there needs to be a change in direction.

For those that see the positives in having greenpeace driving the country off a cliff he’s definitely the guy to drive that bus.

I think that ship has run its course and has lost favour with the majority of people. I can’t see Carney pulling the Liberal train wreck out of the Trudeau tire fire because of this.

Definitely smarter than the boy wonder. But he’s just a repackaged Trudeau. I think the country wants a change in direction. At least that’s the feeling I get. Especially with out neighbour about to leave us in the dust.

[PepsiFree]

Carney has said he’d meet the NATO spending requirements ahead of Trudeau’s timeline while pushing to spend more of their defence budget locally instead of sourcing as much abroad.

He’s also said he’ll reduce red tape in building projects, address interprovincial trade barriers, and scrap the capital gains tax increase.