2024/2025 Season trade rumours and speculation thread

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You think a player peaked at 21? You have some really dumb takes.

Thing is it's not impossible.

Cozens could replicate that season.

Or it's quite possible that Cozens was the benefactor of a 15% shooting percentage (no other season has eclipsed 9%) that season which he potentially never repeat again.

In the end there is just as much chance that Cozens is what he appears to be his last 100 or so games, as there is that he's more what he was in that 22/23 season.

And it is a big risk to take with 7 years and $7.1M left on that contract. Especially since it's not like he has glowing underlying stats...he has a 46.4% xGF at 5v5 this year, following a 49.6% last year...that's not good.

[Ped]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

You think a player peaked at 21? You have some really dumb takes.

Not that I don't agree with your second point, but development isn't linear and the NHL is littered with guys who peaked very young.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

Adams literally just traded a center prospect whom he drafted in the top 10 for a 3rd line center in Mcleod. Asking for Andersson + 1st + another asset for Helenius is just nonsensical just months after that previous trade.

Conroy just needs to be patient here. There should be zero rush to make a deal at this point. Let some other GM get desperate and take advantage of that.

I didn’t realize Savoie is a center seeing how small he is I assumed he was a winger but hockeydb has him as a center. I agree they won’t trade the guy they just picked in the first round for a 28 year old.

Makes me see why Pospisil could be in the mix as he has played center and could be a stop gap if they move on from Cozens?

[dammage79]

I wonder if Conny kind of balked at Pops being in a deal during the summer given all the success he had with the Flames and then the world's etc. I also wonder if he's softened his stance and that's why talks are ongoing and more frequently than normal with Buffalo.

I also assume that Adams has wandered into asking for other forwards given Pops season so far.

I'd add up to a 2nd round pick to lubricate the trade. Obviously there's some nibbling at the bait there for both teams. Just have to figure out the additions to get either team to bite.

Cozens and Byram on the Flames kind of balances out the roster composition.

IMO, the team probably wants 3 d pairing of lefty/righty instead of lefty/righty, righty/righty, lefty/righty.

Weegar takes Razzs spot. Byram takes Weegar slot on the 2nd pairing (making fans nervous of a Miromanov/Byram paring) and then Pachal and the 6/7 LD rotation.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Royle9

There were talks in the summer around:
CGY receives: Cozens + Byram
BUF receives: Andersson + Pospisil

With that said talks very much continue between the two teams, but I've NOT heard confirmation that those names are still on the board.
I do think that Buffalo has tried to pivot away from Cozens and inserting Krebs, but Calgary wasn't very high on Krebs whos definitely not a comparable to Cozens at this point.
Adams is very high on Hellenius, I'd wager it would take a significant offer from Calgary to even get Kevyn moving in that direction - Andersson + 1st + ______

• There's very much significant dialogue between the two, and I know Buffalo has broadened there forward ask from Calgary (including Coronato)
• Now what I do know is that Craig continues to listen to any and all offers on our players.
• Andersson remains commodity #1 on our roster, and it sounds like his name is the hottest around the league right now.
• Craig is not open to trading Coronato nor Backlund at this time, obviously other players on this list like Wolf/Parekh etc
• Craig's priority is still a #1/2 Center preferably under 25
• Vladar's name continues to come up - Not entirely sure how eager Craig is to trade him however

If the Flames got Byram and Cozens for Andersson and Pospisil, I would be euphoric.

[SuperMatt18]

Cozens for Zegras probably would actually make the most sense for both teams TBH.

Swap your top 10 pick centers and see if they reach their potential in a new environment.

Edit: Especially with Zegras being an upstate New York kid. Feels like a bit of a no brainer for those two teams to at least try that swap.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Cozens for Zegras probably would actually make the most sense for both teams TBH.

Swap your top 10 pick centers and see if they reach their potential in a new environment.

Isn’t the word in Buffalo that they want to add veteran players? I don’t disagree with your logic at all but I think Buffalo is starting to look more at veteran players that will get them to the playoffs now vs long term pieces. 13 years no playoffs and 17 years since they won a series you have to wonder if patience is gone and prioritizing now has taken over?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Cozens for Zegras probably would actually make the most sense for both teams TBH.

Swap your top 10 pick centers and see if they reach their potential in a new environment.

That probably makes the most sense. If Buffalo wants a now piece, they will have to dip into their prospects and picks. Can't see many teams trading for a 7-point player that is making 7.1M for the next 7 years.

I know everyone is desperate for a C, but we need to get the right players not just anyone. We need someone who can carry the line and makes other better, no more Lindholm types.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Isn’t the word in Buffalo that they want to add veteran players? I don’t disagree with your logic at all but I think Buffalo is starting to look more at veteran players that will get them to the playoffs now vs long term pieces. 13 years no playoffs and 17 years since they won a series you have to wonder if patience is gone and prioritizing now has taken over?

I just find it hard to see them moving a center for a d-man right now.

They've done:

Mittelstadt for Byram
Savoie for Tullio/McLeod (Which is C for C)

So it depends if they think somebody like Kulich, Helenius, etc is ready to fill in as an NHL center for them.

[Monahammer]

Paulie, can you keep your (insane, ranting, babbling) obvious opposition to this player to one or two posts? It is getting extremely tiring reading you say the same thing over and over again. Especially as most don't agree with you at all.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I just find it hard to see them moving a center for a d-man right now.

They've done:

Mittelstadt for Byram
Savoie for Tullio/McLeod (Which is C for C)

So it depends if they think somebody like Kulich, Helenius, etc is ready to fill in as an NHL center for them.

Would they toss a rookie into a top 6 role, while they are trying to win now?

They are leaking goals against, 2 points back of Tampa with 2 more games played.

If Conroy can turn Markstrom and Vladar into a 1st, 2nd and Bahl and securing our long-term starter in net that would be amazing.

Looks like they may need an upgrade in net as well.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

That probably makes the most sense. If Buffalo wants a now piece, they will have to dip into their prospects and picks. Can't see many teams trading for a 7-point player that is making 7.1M for the next 7 years.

I know everyone is desperate for a C, but we need to get the right players not just anyone. We need someone who can carry the line and makes other better, no more Lindholm types.

That's what the draft is for.

There's no Jack Eichel situation out there in the league, and that happens about once every two decades, so if you're thinking that type of player acquisition is achievable via trade - it isn't.

Dylan Cozens is more than likely much better than what his current season stats are. Is he that player you're talking about? No, but again - 99% of the time, you only get that player via the draft.

[CliffFletcher]

Seravalli was on Barn Burner this morning, and he said the Canes and Sabres had a deal in principle in place for Necas in the summer, but Necas balked at going to Buffalo.

Just a reminder that players today have a lot of say in whether a deal happens or not (even guys who don’t have trade protection), and Buffalo is still not an attractive destination.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

That's what the draft is for.

There's no Jack Eichel situation out there in the league, and that happens about once every two decades, so if you're thinking that type of player acquisition is achievable via trade - it isn't.

Dylan Cozens is more than likely much better than what his current season stats are. Is he that player you're talking about? No, but again - 99% of the time, you only get that player via the draft.

You don't win in this league without a legit top line C, and agreed the draft is where you find them.

The fact we went as hard after Eichel as we did tell you the team feels like same, and that was with Lindholm having a career year that season.

I always wondered what the deal was with Buffalo that had us come that close if it did get that close, and by the sounds of what Eichel said it was close.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by camm13

I don't think him re signing 100% indicates that he wants to retire a Flame, he's said numerous times that give his age, winning is important. However, hitting the 1000 games mark was a milestone he wanted to do with the Flames. His NMC turns into a 15 team no trade that kicks in Jan 2026. I for one would love to see him play out his entire career here. But given how is contract could shake out, he still could very much leave to chase a cup.

I depends on what is offered. Let's not let sentimental feelings get in the way of the best thing for the team. If someone thinks Backlund is a key piece for their playoff run and offers a 1st and he is willing to go you drive him to the airport. There are still plenty of vets here like Weegar and Coleman who bring leadership.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Thing is it's not impossible.

Cozens could replicate that season.

Or it's quite possible that Cozens was the benefactor of a 15% shooting percentage (no other season has eclipsed 9%) that season which he potentially never repeat again.

In the end there is just as much chance that Cozens is what he appears to be his last 100 or so games, as there is that he's more what he was in that 22/23 season.

And it is a big risk to take with 7 years and $7.1M left on that contract. Especially since it's not like he has glowing underlying stats...he has a 46.4% xGF at 5v5 this year, following a 49.6% last year...that's not good.

Cozens has a bunch of talent and his best hockey is still ahead of him, he is just stuck in a dumpster fire in Buffalo..this reminds me of posters arguing Necas was a 40 point player when I was advocating adding him before the season started. There is too much talent there. Adams might be the worst GM in the league, why would he think Ruff was a good pick when he hadn't accomplished nothing in years and couldn't do squat with a much better NJ team? Get Cozens out of there and get his confidence back and at worst you have a 2nd line C for years.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Nelson

If the Flames got Byram and Cozens for Andersson and Pospisil, I would be euphoric.

Cozens becomes a #1 centre, and the Flames go on to become the 3rd team in the last few years to make a deal with Buffalo for a #1 centre and then win a cup shortly afterwards.

I can't see Buffalo going that crazy though. The optics of trading two recent high end drafted players with huge potential for vets is just bad.

[Ped]

Can it be worse than the optics of missing the playoffs yet again?

[traptor]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

You don't win in this league without a legit top line C, and agreed the draft is where you find them.

The fact we went as hard after Eichel as we did tell you the team feels like same, and that was with Lindholm having a career year that season.

I always wondered what the deal was with Buffalo that had us come that close if it did get that close, and by the sounds of what Eichel said it was close.

From what I remember it came out they wanted Tkachuk and tre wasn't willing.
Looking back maybe we should of done it...


We were probably offering something similar to the Vegas package:

Mang + 1st + 2nd + coronato but they liked tuch and krebs more than mangiapane and coronato.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I depends on what is offered. Let's not let sentimental feelings get in the way of the best thing for the team. If someone thinks Backlund is a key piece for their playoff run and offers a 1st and he is willing to go you drive him to the airport. There are still plenty of vets here like Weegar and Coleman who bring leadership.

I think Backlund could easily bring in a 1st +, he's the exact trype of players teams want for the playoffs.

I just don't believe he has any intention of moving.