[GT] Alberta Votes 2023.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Muta

Once the medical brain drain starts leaving to other provinces in even greater numbers (and it will, conservatives will feel it too despite their denials), maybe we really should take a page from the UCP book... take homeopathic advice instead of actual medical advice, blame ourselves for cancer but also realize smoking has health benefits (Smith said so), wait in the ER for way too many hours because of our bad decisions (although the lobby TV will tell us wait times are down for some reason), lie in a stretcher in the hallway for a while, then die. Oh yeah, don't forget to pay your $30 user fee before entering.

Should be a drinking game every time Muta posts and about health care professionals leaving drink.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Muta

What exactly are we 'Taking Back Alberta' from?

I feel free as a tumbleweed in a desert, and have for my entire life.

You really don't want to know the answer to that.

[Wormius]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Which businesses would've left? seriously? what policy did the NDP propose that would have seen any business leave Alberta???

Pizzerias.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Should be a drinking game every time Muta posts and about health care professionals leaving drink.

Do you understand how punctuation works? Or should we add that to the list of things you are ignorant about? The list is getting long.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Cappy

I think UCP voters threatening to leave would be closer to your example. The NDP doesnt have a dynasty in this Province. Every NDP win (one) is always likely going to be a one-off

Many people considering leaving now are seeing the writing on the wall. 53% of voters voted for Danielle ####ing Smith. Like, really? Look at her track record! Look at the crap she said for decades on her talk show! Look at the leaders of TBA - all home schooled religious wingbats!

The people seriously consider leaving are looking at this party's attempts to make this Province more republican, more american, and more divisive, and the voters are latching on to those ideas - I've been called a commie, debt lover, antifa, Environmental wingnut for the mere fact that I'm a centrist who voted for an orange party.

Do we think this is going to change in 4 years? do you think the UCP is going to become more rational? Nah.

I've said this twice now and it's been ignored. I can't count the number of elections where my candidate lost before this year. What I do know is it's been 100%. And the party I voted for got in once, in 2015, and was one term. At no time did I ever say I felt like leaving. This time around, my candidate actually won. But the movement of the UCP to the courting of nutty ant-science/Trumpism/DeSantisism/dogwhistle politics supporters has me doubtful of the future, not just for 4 years but for a long long time.

No other UCP/PC leader has threatened health care, education, social services and federalism as much as this one. And Kenney had already gone a long way in that regard.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

I've said this twice now and it's been ignored. I can't count the number of elections where my candidate lost before this year. What I do know is it's been 100%. And the party I voted for got in once, in 2015, and was one term. At no time did I ever say I felt like leaving. This time around, my candidate actually won. But the movement of the UCP to the courting of nutty ant-science/Trumpism/DeSantisism/dogwhistle politics supporters has me doubtful of the future, not just for 4 years but for a long long time.

No other UCP/PC leader has threatened health care, education, social services and federalism as much as this one. And Kenney had already gone a long way in that regard.

Wouldn't you wait to see if those things do actually deteriorate before deciding to leave?

Where is your family located?

I feel like there's a lot of reasons people choose to live where they do, but the government in question is usually not really one of them. It's like when Trump won the Presidency, lots of sabre rattling from Americans about moving to Canada, is there any data that there was a large influx of them moving up here when that happened?

Quality of life in Alberta is still extraordinary. Plus, Alberta needs moderates like you to stay, not leave.

[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

It's like when Trump won the Presidency, lots of sabre rattling from Americans about moving to Canada, is there any data that there was a large influx of them moving up here when that happened?

It's much, much MUCH easier for Canadian citizens to move between provinces (even more so if they have a full-time remote work job and don't even need to change employers, something which is now the case for many educated white collar knowledge workers) than it is for US citizens to apply for and obtain the right to legally emigrate to a foreign country.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Should be a drinking game every time Muta posts and about health care professionals leaving drink.

If your atrocious grammar and punctuation is any indication, you're drunk right now.

[Mean Mr. Mustard]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Should be a drinking game every time Muta posts and about health care professionals leaving drink.

So you don't have an answer, instead you just make attempts at wisecracks. Once I actually enjoyed having your input here, you raised some points. Now though you are akin to a bad parody account, rehashed empty statements with no substance or information. I can only assume you are aware of this and have some degree of insight but if you aren't I sort of pity you for an obvious and sad lack of growth.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Wouldn't you wait to see if those things do actually deteriorate before deciding to leave?

Where is your family located?

I feel like there's a lot of reasons people choose to live where they do, but the government in question is usually not really one of them. It's like when Trump won the Presidency, lots of sabre rattling from Americans about moving to Canada, is there any data that there was a large influx of them moving up here when that happened?

Quality of life in Alberta is still extraordinary. Plus, Alberta needs moderates like you to stay, not leave.

Then they shouldn't elect extremists like TBA and Wildrose.

I don't know how anyone can not be a bit fearful of losing something due to this government, there are no shortage of policy ideas Smith has presented over the past 20 years that take from Albertans, and no indication she doesn't plan to follow through with as many of them as possible.

I don't want our hospitals to function like our labs have become. I don't want to have to worry about if I have enough money in my HSA account to see my doctor, or if I should go to the ER so I don't have to pay. I don't want to have to pay deductibles on medically required surgeries. I don't want to have my Canadian pension turned into an Alberta one. I don't want provincial police running at the direction of the premier to ignore federal law when she doesn't like it. I don't want justice subverted becuase someone cheers for the same anti-science nonsense she does. I don't want my tax dollars going to woo-woo medicine when our health systme is crumbling. And I just can't comprehend how anyone with a brain could support any of this, but here we are.

[TrentCrimmIndependent]

Originally Posted by Muta

What exactly are we 'Taking Back Alberta' from?

I feel free as a tumbleweed in a desert, and have for my entire life.

People like to create conflicts and narratives where they don't necessarily exist because it spices up an otherwise boring existence. Ever since covid a segment of people have approached life like they're waging a silent war against some imaginary entity trying to steal away their livelihood from under their noses.

But really this has only been about the well-being of this province and its outlook, and on that front (the real world one) people failed.

Now we have to lay in the bed we've made, which means we're at the mercy of this cult of greasy far-righties that based on their actions since the election appear to believe they're above the established democratic system.

We've seen and heard enough to know that self interest is what motivates these people more than anything.

BUT at least alberta and it's interests will be staunchly protected from Sauron and the federal lefties, or whatever.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

Ok, but that doesn't solve anything. You can't have entry level med students working in rural places, they're not qualified yet and could only work clerkships under actual docs. You also can't lock students into 10-year commitments when they haven't even being accepted into residency programs let alone wrote the CARMS exam.

There are some that might like rural communities (and yes that happens), but the system has to nurture them to stay in place, otherwise you get what is happening now - early retirements and getting the hell out of dodge.

Yes you need to build out the capability to have rural residencies and training programs to support the rural spots in universities. This needs to be a concerted effort over years to ensure we are educating people who want to provide medical services in rural areas.

The goal is to attract qualified applicants who want to work in rural areas and then support them to develop into qualified doctors for rural areas.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by Mean Mr. Mustard

So you don't have an answer, instead you just make attempts at wisecracks. Once I actually enjoyed having your input here, you raised some points. Now though you are akin to a bad parody account, rehashed empty statements with no substance or information. I can only assume you are aware of this and have some degree of insight but if you aren't I sort of pity you for an obvious and sad lack of growth.

It’s fear mongering, they’ve either left already or it’s just a toothless threat.

In any case no one is going to hold the Province hostage over the same concerns that every Province has.

No one’s falling for it anymore except the alarmist that didn’t get their way this election.

[EldrickOnIce]

I don't understand. One can't read this thread and have any idea what is actually happening.
Are there more doctors coming to Alberta than leaving Alberta, or not? I'm not asking about about a shortage. We know there is. Is there more in than out?

[Duruss]

Originally Posted by belsarius

Yeah MAiD is no joke. My FIL used it in 2020 and my own father used it a couple months ago. It is not an easy process, especially emotionally, both on the patient and the family. I am so thankful it exists, and it is one of the major things I am glad the Liberals did get right. But it is not something to just be bandied around because of an election.

I feel like I am a little late to this but...There is a grim reality that we hopefully won't have to face, many disabled people are going to feel like they have no choice but to chose MAID, because it will either be that our a slow death in abject poverty and homelessness. This happens if their existence gets too hard because of goverment action or inaction; social murder is the phrase I think.

However if social murder does become a thing I believe it would lead to the fall of the UCP next election.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by StickMan

There shouldn't even be a carbon tax, especially on home heating. But the Trudeau tax at least give a bit of a rebate, where the notley tax just went towards expensive light bulbs?

I'm very interested in any alternative to a carbon tax that would help us meet our international obligations. What would you offer as an alternative?

Carbon taxes work extremely well (with other policies of course), and if done properly with other polkicy supports to shift consumption patterns, then they don't cost the average family much more, sometimes even less. Home heating accounts for a large portion of our emissions, and efficiencies/technologies need to move in the right direction and need policy support to do that.

For your home heating example, a carbon tax would make high efficency furnaces and heat pumps become more cost effective when carbon pricing is implements correctly. Of course there needs to be means testing involved somehow to avoid the poorest having the hardest time adjusting. Canada's current plan is far from perfect, but I think does a decent job of trying to bridge that gap:

https://www.canada.ca/en/services/en...buildings.html

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

I don't understand. One can't read this thread and have any idea what is actually happening.
Are there more doctors coming to Alberta than leaving Alberta, or not? I'm not asking about about a shortage. We know there is. Is there more in than out?

I don't know about the data on migration specifically, but the number of doctors is increasing, but at a rate slower than the population is growing. So the number of doctors per 100K has been dropping steadily in recent years in Alberta.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Wouldn't you wait to see if those things do actually deteriorate before deciding to leave?

Where is your family located?

I feel like there's a lot of reasons people choose to live where they do, but the government in question is usually not really one of them. It's like when Trump won the Presidency, lots of sabre rattling from Americans about moving to Canada, is there any data that there was a large influx of them moving up here when that happened?

Quality of life in Alberta is still extraordinary. Plus, Alberta needs moderates like you to stay, not leave.

It's not the government, though. It's the ideology of the majority in this province. It's not the election, its the views that people actually vote for.

Danielle Smith could die tomorrow, but UCP would just appoint some other wingbat to take over and 53% of the province would vote for that person.

It's not one election. It's the changing tides of political discourse in the western world, unfortunately. Some provinces have just done a better job at holding back the tide

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by ynwa03

I thought today would be better than yesterday, but the overbearing feeling of impending doom has just got worse instead of better.

I spoke to my best friend last night, who is an ER doctor and they said they have already begun steps to leave the province. I am devastated.

We have so much to address in this province and I can’t believe I’m wasting my time and energy coming to grips with the election results. We should be scaling clean energy projects, defending 2SLGBTQ++ rights, and addressing the coming climate catastrophe. Instead we have taken two steps back and are fighting Trumpism from completely rotting the fabric of society.

I am looking at leaving the province as soon as possible. But I feel like there is no place to go? At this point I can imagine applying for MAiD because this is getting unbearable.

A true satirist. Love it.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Cappy

It's not the government, though. It's the ideology of the majority in this province. It's not the election, its the views that people actually vote for.

Danielle Smith could die tomorrow, but UCP would just appoint some other wingbat to take over and 53% of the province would vote for that person.

It's not one election. It's the changing tides of political discourse in the western world, unfortunately. Some provinces have just done a better job at holding back the tide

Yup, Alberta just elected someone who has backed a multitude of alternative medicine viewpoints, supports privatization of healthcare, called DeSantis a hero, and has a sketchy at best record on social views (if you actually think her previous statements shouldn't be taken at face value). We also elected a person who called children feces. Pretty much all because the NDP is scary and might take away from oil (which isn't true).

I have the opportunity to move the US but right now it is in States where I wouldn't want to live. Missouri is a lot more right than it was when I lived there 8 years ago. I'd have the same reservations about moving to Alberta.