[News] Flames and Treliving agree to part ways. Maloney promoted to PoHO and interim GM

[FormerPresJamesTaylor]

You guys aren't looking at the big picture, he's a very serious person

[Paulie Walnuts]

Peters wasn't just a racist he also hit players.

Darryl is different his ways and style create a dark cloud over the team that is ultra negative so keeping him around does no good.

Comparing Sutter to the Grand wizard of three hills Alberta probably isn't the best way to look at it.

[TheSquatch]

Originally Posted by Bill Bumface

We also have no idea why people didn't like playing for Sutter. Maybe he bag skated them too much. Maybe he gave them the silent treatment constantly.

Without having any idea what the guy is like, to say he's worse than a coach that was fired for racist conduct is... something.

Go back to Sutter's time with the Kings. He was Dean Lombardy's last-ditch attempt to prove that the team he (DL) had assembled was good. Sutter took that big tough group, got them playing big tough hockey, and pushed like hell and won they won the cup twice. That's the "Sutter magic". Images of Dustin Brown ragdolling and bowling over the Sedins in those games.

Fast forward a few years, and it's guys like Brown who are just totally worn out, broken down from playing at 100% pace and highly physical EVERY single shift. This is what Sutter demands. How do you win? Try harder.





And while that may be true, it's not a message that players can live with forever. Sutter is one of the classic short term coaches, capable of inspiring and leading, but his shelf life is short because he sees things one way. Play harder.

Go back and listen to interviews with those Kings players around when Sutter was fired, they look and sound just like this year's Flames team. Just tired of being ... abused, I guess would be the word.

I'm watching teams with clever set plays, "missed" shots to open guys for a one time, that kinda thing. And I just don't see a lot of that from the Flames, hell the team couldn't develop an overtime strategy, they were monumentally bad. Why? Because Sutter's a dinosaur and has no idea how to coach 3 on 3.

I think they tuned out the message because "play harder" just... isn't enough.

"I shouldn't say Darryl (Sutter) didn’t like it, but he definitely would have liked me to be more serious in certain situations," Doughty said. "But I just can't play the game that way. I like that I have fun playing the game ..." Drew Doughty.

[Paulie Walnuts]

While most of what you are saying is true I don't think the message was try harder but who knows we aren't in the room.

I don't think effort or executing the system was the issue. The system didn't fit this roster and won't fit it going forward. Times that with grinding on your players and publicly embarrassing some of them and it wears them out mentally.

[Paulie Walnuts]

I went down the road to check out the event with Iggy.

First of all he looks like he could be playing in the top 6 on 32 teams. Also I miss having that smile on the team what a great guy.

It's just kids but he is a natural leader on the ice and running practice I could see him in the NHL. Just the name alone would command respect.

I really hope he meant it that he would entertain being back in the organization because it would be awesome.

[FlamesAddiction]

I still find it interesting that we haven't heard a word from Treliving yet. I am sure some reporters must have tried to get a response from him. I wonder if maybe the Flames have asked him not to speak since he is still likely under contract.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I still find it interesting that we haven't heard a word from Treliving yet. I am sure some reporters must have tried to get a response from him. I wonder if maybe the Flames have asked him not to speak since he is still likely under contract.

He's no longer a member of the organization what would he say?

I'm sure we will hear from him in a podcast in August and I don't think he will say anything earth shattering.

I'm starting to think a Conroy and Iggy tandem could work and give the team some much needed juice.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

He's no longer a member of the organization what would he say?

I'm sure we will hear from him in a podcast in August and I don't think he will say anything earth shattering.

I'm starting to think a Conroy and Iggy tandem could work and give the team some much needed juice.

I think he is still technically under contract until July 1st. I doubt the Flames want to give him the freedom to talk to other teams without permission until after the draft.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I think he is still technically under contract until July 1st. I doubt the Flames want to give him the freedom to talk to other teams without permission until after the draft.

That's what they said. That's why I don't think he's going to be a GM next season. Unless someone wants to pony up money or picks.

It would be interesting if he does take a job based on Maloney saying he doesn't see Treliving taking another job next season and him needing a mental break.

I will say it does feel super weird not having him around.

[scotty2hotty]

I haven’t been following this thread too closely …but is it expected that a GM will be named prior to the draft?

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by scotty2hotty

I haven’t been following this thread too closely …but is it expected that a GM will be named prior to the draft?

They haven't said anything but I would think having someone in place before the draft would be important. The draft should be fine but a lot of work needs to be done prior and set up trade talk free agency and coaching moves.

I would hope we have someone in place by June 1st.

[FlamesAddiction]

I think it would just be nice to hear an explanation right from him rather than through Maloney. Just quitting without a word seems weird.

[Paulie Walnuts]

How did he quit?

He said no a extension that's got quitting he fulfilled his contract.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

How did he quit?

He said no a extension that's got quitting he fulfilled his contract.

Semantics. He chose not to stay. If you have the option to stay is there and you choose to leave, that's the same as quitting.

[Paulie Walnuts]

It's really not the same at all. He didn't quit he didn't renew his contract. If he left midway through his contract yeah that's quitting but his contract expired and he didn't sign a new one.

Treliving is not a quitter he did his job to the very end. He got Coronato signed did the exit interviews.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Peters wasn't just a racist he also hit players.

I never knew he hit players, and a racist is someone who hates other races of people, from what I'm told from people who know him he doesn't hate anyone, he just didn't understand that the N word can only be used by black people and from what I understand he got sick of songs with the repeated use of the word.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

I never knew he hit players, and a racist is someone who hates other races of people, from what I'm told from people who know him he doesn't hate anyone, he just didn't understand that the N word can only be used by black people and from what I understand he got sick of songs with the repeated use of the word.

Yes he punched and kicked Michael Jordan I think it was.

And I'm sorry what? He didn't know he shouldn't use the N word? Did he live in a cave his whole life?

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

Yes he punched and kicked Michael Jordan I think it was.

And I'm sorry what? He didn't know he shouldn't use the N word? Did he live in a cave his whole life?

Does it make him a racist?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Paulie Walnuts

It's really not the same at all. He didn't quit he didn't renew his contract. If he left midway through his contract yeah that's quitting but his contract expired and he didn't sign a new one.

Treliving is not a quitter he did his job to the very end. He got Coronato signed did the exit interviews.

Fine. He didn’t quit, he just refused to continue. That doesn’t change anything. The only difference is that he didn’t leave contract term on the table. That is literally the only difference.

[Paulie Walnuts]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Does it make him a racist?

Makes him an idiot for sure. Not sure about a full out racist I guess if what you are saying is true.