2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Roof-Daddy]

Hypothetical:

1. Flames lose play in
2. Trade for Hall's rights & sign him
3. Win 1st OA

Gaudreau
Tkachuk
Hall
Mangiapane
Lafreniere (presumably)

What do you do with five (what should be) top 6 left wingers?

1. Play a couple of them on RW and move Lindholm to C?
2. Play a couple of them on RW and keep Lindholm at RW too?
3. Trade down to grab Stutzle/Byfield and get some other assets?
4. Trade Gaudreau for a young potential top 6 C and/or RW and/or RD and/or picks?


I say a combo of 3 and 4. Imagine going into the season Tkachuk/Hall/Mangipane as your top 3 LWs while at the same time adding Stutzle/Byfield and also the return for Johnny....


A good problem to have, if the Flames lose the play in (I hope they don't) hopefully we get to find out.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hypothetical:

1. Flames lose play in
2. Trade for Hall's rights & sign him
3. Win 1st OA

Gaudreau
Tkachuk
Hall
Mangiapane
Lafreniere (presumably)

What do you do with five (what should be) top 6 left wingers?

1. Play a couple of them on RW and move Lindholm to C?
2. Play a couple of them on RW and keep Lindholm at RW too?
3. Trade down to grab Stutzle/Byfield and get some other assets?
4. Trade Gaudreau for a young potential top 6 C and/or RW and/or RD and/or picks?


I say a combo of 3 and 4. Imagine going into the season Tkachuk/Hall/Mangipane as your top 3 LWs while at the same time adding Stutzle/Byfield and also the return for Johnny....


A good problem to have, if the Flames lose the play in (I hope they don't) hopefully we get to find out.

If you're going to trade Lafreniere, I think it would be a better move to pick him and make people offer you a package afterwards than just getting two draft picks.

But I dont think we should trade Lafreniere if we get him, he's the undisputed top pick this year for a very good reason.

Big Ifs here because I don't think we'll be getting him but speculation is fun.

Picking lafreniere and sitting on him a bit will potentially increase the offer you're getting for him a la lindros.

[PepsiFree]

If Lafreniere is an option, you make the pick and keep him. You then try to trade a Gaudreau package for an upgrade at center.

If you could get a young A+ center from trading Lafreniere maybe you do it, but I just can’t see that happening. Make the pick, trade Gaudreau, and maybe sign Hall and move Lindholm to center with one of the LW at RW. That’s the smart play of you ask me. I think Lafreniere replaces Gaudreau’s production in 2-3 years.

[Vinny01]

If the Flames could unload Lucic to move back (plus more picks/prospects) and getting to pick one of the top 2 centers could be huge for the flexibility of the team. Flames could keep Gaudreau or trade him in a hockey deal where they take back equal salary or they go with a futures based return and open up even more cap space. Hall and one of Lehner or Pietrangelo could be legit targets while also adding a top C prospect.

LA has a deep pool so maybe a deal would be

LA trades: 2nd pick, 5th best prospect, 2 2nds
CGY trades: 1st pick, Lucic

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the Flames could unload Lucic to move back (plus more picks/prospects) and getting to pick one of the top 2 centers could be huge for the flexibility of the team. Flames could keep Gaudreau or trade him in a hockey deal where they take back equal salary or they go with a futures based return and open up even more cap space. Hall and one of Lehner or Pietrangelo could be legit targets while also adding a top C prospect.

LA has a deep pool so maybe a deal would be

LA trades: 2nd pick, 5th best prospect, 2 2nds
CGY trades: 1st pick, Lucic

All hypothetical obviously, but if LA were willing to do this I'd take it.
The C position is way more important, CGY would have Tkachuk and Hall/Gaudreau in the top 2 LW spots anyway.

Stutzle or Byfield + a A/B prospect and 2 high 2nd round picks is a solid start. Getting rid of the Lucic contract is like gaining another top 5 pick imo.

But only because I personally dont feel that Laf will be a franchise forward, I think both Stutzle and Byfield will end up being the better pick.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

If the Flames could unload Lucic to move back (plus more picks/prospects) and getting to pick one of the top 2 centers could be huge for the flexibility of the team. Flames could keep Gaudreau or trade him in a hockey deal where they take back equal salary or they go with a futures based return and open up even more cap space. Hall and one of Lehner or Pietrangelo could be legit targets while also adding a top C prospect.

LA has a deep pool so maybe a deal would be

LA trades: 2nd pick, 5th best prospect, 2 2nds
CGY trades: 1st pick, Lucic

Using the Club's only ever 1st overall pick to dump a cap hit would be such a terrible move. This is one of the worst suggestions i have ever seen tbh. Im normally somewhat on board with your proposals but give your head a shake here man.

As terrible as it would be this does seem like a "flames" move. Yuck.

[DJones]

You take the player most likely to be a legit 1C.

Lucic or some 2nds don't matter at all if you downgrade your chances of getting that.

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Using the Club's only ever 1st overall pick to dump a cap hit would be such a terrible move. This is one of the worst suggestions i have ever seen tbh. Im normally somewhat on board with your proposals but give your head a shake here man.

As terrible as it would be this does seem like a "flames" move. Yuck.

Don't value the pick position, look at it from who's available 1 to 3.

There are MANY cases of 1st overall picks (Outside of the Franchise players who were slotted in that spot for years) who end up being not as good as those selected 2-5.

Laf is not going to be a Franchise winger here, and the 2 centers set to go behind him likely will be the smarter picks. I mean.. Byfield was just as close to go #1 overall anyway for most of last year and the first 1/4 this year. I think his poor showing at the WJHC set him back a bit even though he was an underage player people expected to see more.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Using the Club's only ever 1st overall pick to dump a cap hit would be such a terrible move. This is one of the worst suggestions i have ever seen tbh. Im normally somewhat on board with your proposals but give your head a shake here man.

As terrible as it would be this does seem like a "flames" move. Yuck.

I dunno, people always assume heading into the draft that the "consensus" #1 pick is going to be the star of the draft 10 years out. That's not the case very often.

LA's 5th best prospect is probably Akil Thomas who is a right shot C who they drafted in round 2 and in D + 1 he put up 1.63 ppg and in his D + 2 he put up 1.83 ppg. If it's not him, it's Tyler Madden who is another right shot C just led Northeastern in Hockey East in scoring as a 19 year old with 1.37 ppg.

Stutzle/Byfield
Thomas/Madden
Lucic's cap hit gone
Two of 35th/43rd/55th overall in the draft

Lafreniere will play in the NHL next year, but it's very possible Stutzle amd/or Byfield end up being the better long term picks, so if you add that kind of high end depth to the prospect pool it's never a bad thing.

Then on top of that, you've cleared enough cap space to sign Hall without having to trade Gaudreau and still have money left over to fill out the D and back up goaltending.

[Poe969]

If you trade 1st overall, it should be for just assets. If they want to get rid of lucic that bad, do it a different way. I'd be gunning for pick 3 and 5 or 2 and Villaradi or turcott.

If you can't get pic 2 or 3 just pick, just pick Byfield and be done with it.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I was thinking about that 1OA and a possible trade down scenario. If the Flames get that pick I could see a scenario where they trade that pick and Lucic to the Kings for the 2nd pick and maybe a couple of their 2nds?

The Kings have a fairly set roster with plenty of cap space so they could pull it off and with Turcotte and Valiardi they have some solid C prospects and can use that dynamic winger.

Flames pick Stutzle or Byfield while clearing Lucic off the books. Could be an opportunity to run with both Hall and Gaudreau for a season? They could also look at still trading Gaudreau and then adding more futures and having some money to potentially add Lehner in addition to Hall?

I was thinking something similar after the lottery: Whichever team wins 1OA and offers it to OTT for 3OA & 5OA, would OTT take that trade?

-To be clear not saying CGY wins 1OA. Whichever team wins it.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

I was thinking something similar after the lottery: Whichever team wins 1OA and offers it to OTT for 3OA & 5OA, would OTT take that trade?

-To be clear not saying CGY wins 1OA. Whichever team wins it.

I don't think OTT pays that much to move up 2 spots.

You might be able to get 3rd + the NYI pick + maybe a 2nd or something like that.

The NYI pick should be late teens roughly.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

Using the Club's only ever 1st overall pick to dump a cap hit would be such a terrible move. This is one of the worst suggestions i have ever seen tbh. Im normally somewhat on board with your proposals but give your head a shake here man.

As terrible as it would be this does seem like a "flames" move. Yuck.

We are entering a 3 year flat cap so it makes that Lucic cap hit that much more crippling. The deal also deepens the Flames prospect pool and allows them to draft a more critical position of need. They have Tkachuk, Gaudreau, Mangipane, Dube all as left shot wingers and they have interest in Hall.

When limited teams have cap space this summer the Flames could be in a position to take advantage if they could unload Lucic.

This is a win now move but also could pay off down the line of Byfield or Stutzle pan out better than Lafreniere. 3 other prospects and dumping a terrible contract at the same time.

It makes sense to me but maybe Lafreniere is that much better than Stutzle/Byfield?

[bdubbs]

If the Flames lose the play in and win 1st OA, I'd be interested in dropping spots to draft Stutzle. I have a soft spot for European centers.

[Roof-Daddy]

Is Stutzle expected to cross the pond and play in the NHL next season?

[Royle9]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Is Stutzle expected to cross the pond and play in the NHL next season?

He definitely seems ready.
Guess it would depend on the team that drafts him and their depth.

Monahan was drafted at 187 lbs 6'2 and went right into it.
Stutzle is listed at 6'1 and 187 and played with men all last year.

I think he's easily ready to play next year, but I'm no GM

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Hypothetical:

1. Flames lose play in
2. Trade for Hall's rights & sign him
3. Win 1st OA

Gaudreau
Tkachuk
Hall
Mangiapane
Lafreniere (presumably)

What do you do with five (what should be) top 6 left wingers?

1. Play a couple of them on RW and move Lindholm to C?
2. Play a couple of them on RW and keep Lindholm at RW too?
3. Trade down to grab Stutzle/Byfield and get some other assets?
4. Trade Gaudreau for a young potential top 6 C and/or RW and/or RD and/or picks?


I say a combo of 3 and 4. Imagine going into the season Tkachuk/Hall/Mangipane as your top 3 LWs while at the same time adding Stutzle/Byfield and also the return for Johnny....


A good problem to have, if the Flames lose the play in (I hope they don't) hopefully we get to find out.

Keep: Lafreniere, Tkachuk, Mangiapane
Trade: Gaudreau
Don't sign: Hall
Acquire: The best centre you can

[PepsiFree]

I'd rather Byfield over Stutzle if it's between the two. Byfield seems to have more question marks about how high is actual ceiling is, but there's also question marks on whether Stutzle can play center in the NHL (he played LW in DEL).

Both guys seem to play hard, skate well, and have great playmaking ability, but Byfield also has a big size advantage.

[AustinL_NHL]

Hall ($8M) - Monahan - Gaudreau
Lafreniere - Lindholm - Tkachuk
Bennett - Backlund - Mangiapane ($1.25M)
Lucic - Ryan - Dube

Gio - Andersson
Hanifin - Valimaki
Kylington (850k) - Mackey

Rittich
Talbot ($3.5M)

Cap: $80.5M

Sure, the defense is incredibly young and would be prone to many mistakes (but is highly skilled), but that forward group would be top 2 in the NHL at minimum.

*salivating commences*

[Harry Lime]

If you get 1OA as Calgary, I absolutely think that you consider the trade possibility. If you trade both Lafreniere and Gaudreau in the same offseason, you can basically accomplish a full rebuild in one year, and still hold onto all of your core pieces except for one (who many people have penciled out of the lineup anyway.)

You can add a minimum of five (?) blue chip Seattle exempt pieces. That's crazy.