The Democratic Presidential Nomination 2020

[Fuzz]

Do people forget just how unpopular Hillary was? I can't see how Biden doesn't do better.

[GirlySports]

True, there are also more eligible voters.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

The problem is the Democrats are running against Trump, the guy. This should have been a normal election against a 2nd term President, but the Democrats are pouring the hearts out and the angry 70 year olds think this is their last and best chance to be President.

I'm going to use SCD's analogy from earlier. There are 1000 people shouting vitriol against Trump and are louder than the 5000 people whispering that things are ok.

To me, this election in November is simple question for all voters. It your day to day life better or worse than it was 4 years ago?

Here's an over/under. Will Biden get more or less votes than Hillary? Is there a voter who voted for Hillary who would not vote for Biden? Is there a voter who didn't vote for Hillary who would vote for Biden?

You're under-estimating the divisiveness of Trump. There are a lot of otherwise low-political to apolitical people in this country who despise everything about Trump and will show that support at the polls to voice that displeasure. The turnout and flipping blue of even low office republicans in protest of Trump is obvious.

Biden is an easy vote for people who want to get rid of Trump but think their day to day life is ok. Bernie would have lots of people second guessing if they want to blow things up or not. I don't know how many people I've heard say I didn't want to vote for Trump, but just couldn't stomach voting for Hillary. I've never heard anyone say that about Biden (well, in real life anyway).

[MissTeeks]

Warren dropping out.


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/u...e=articleShare

BOSTON — Senator Elizabeth Warren of Massachusetts plans to drop out of the presidential race on Thursday and will inform her staff of her plans later this morning, according to a person close to her, ending a run defined by an avalanche of policy plans that aimed to pull the Democratic Party to the left and appealed to enough voters to make her briefly a front-runner last fall, but that proved unable to translate excitement from elite progressives into backing from the party’s more working-class and diverse base.

[Harry Lime]

Is it too late for Al Franken to jump into the race? He would have cleaned up this year.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by nfotiu

You're under-estimating the divisiveness of Trump. There are a lot of otherwise low-political to apolitical people in this country who despise everything about Trump and will show that support at the polls to voice that displeasure. The turnout and flipping blue of even low office republicans in protest of Trump is obvious.

Biden is an easy vote for people who want to get rid of Trump but think their day to day life is ok. Bernie would have lots of people second guessing if they want to blow things up or not. I don't know how many people I've heard say I didn't want to vote for Trump, but just couldn't stomach voting for Hillary. I've never heard anyone say that about Biden (well, in real life anyway).

Bidens got warts too from the past. Hes been safe uncle joe up til now but in the general, that will be tested.

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Bidens got warts too from the past. Hes been safe uncle joe up til now but in the general, that will be tested.

Those are mostly all out there. I'm not seeing him becoming such a hated, polarizing figure.

No word of Warren endorsing Bernie yet? The dynamic between those two is interesting.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Warren won't endorse Sanders. That would be suicide for her. She can endorse Biden and have her pick of cabinet positions.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I guess I see now why Bernie is desperate enough to start invoking Obama in Florida, he might get 0 delegates which would obviously be the end of his campaign.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1235585120406581249

[nfotiu]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I guess I see now why Bernie is desperate enough to start invoking Obama in Florida, he might get 0 delegates which would obviously be the end of his campaign.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1235585120406581249

That probably looks like 75/25 in a 2 person race. He'd get some, but barring some kind of event, he may well drop out after the 17th anyway.

The Florida numbers show why so many of us are skeptical of Bernie in a general election.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Warren's probably going to wait until it's absolutely clear who is going to win before endorsing that person. Hell, she might even wait until one or the other concedes.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I seriously doubt Warren's endorsement will mean much, I imagine her supporters will break pretty close to 50/50 between Biden and Bernie, regardless who she endorses.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by New Era

Warren won't endorse Sanders. That would be suicide for her. She can endorse Biden and have her pick of cabinet positions.

Sure but if she enforces Biden there go her progressive bonafides

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

Is it too late for Al Franken to jump into the race? He would have cleaned up this year.

A comedian for president. Just like in Ukraine. We can do it!

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Sure but if she enforces Biden there go her progressive bonafides

The biggest progressives are Bernie backers and they already consider her a traitor for not dropping out before Super Tuesday so Bernie could win. Even a token endorsement now likely won't get them to forgive her.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

The biggest progressives are Bernie backers and they already consider her a traitor for not dropping out before Super Tuesday so Bernie could win. Even a token endorsement now likely won't get them to forgive her.

True. It's been said that she has a lot of 'grass-top' support, like celebs, professors, rich moms etc. but very little 'grass-roots' support. Which showed in her results.

[TorqueDog]

Originally Posted by CaptainYooh

A comedian for president. Just like in Ukraine. We can do it!

Thing is, Franken was actually a really good politician and was so for almost decade. He just failed the Democrats' idiotic moral purity test.

Zelensky was a comedian right up until he announced running for President.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I seriously doubt Warren's endorsement will mean much, I imagine her supporters will break pretty close to 50/50 between Biden and Bernie, regardless who she endorses.

Yeah, people putting all of Warren's supporters in the Sanders column are dreaming. A lot of her support is from women who want to see a woman in the Whitehouse. And given the advantage Biden has over Sanders in college-educated white women, most will naturally slide over to him. Especially as Biden is the home for the 'anyone but Trump' vote.

[CaptainYooh]

Originally Posted by TorqueDog

Thing is, Franken was actually a really good politician ...

I just can't think of him without seeing this first. I'm sure many people can't as well.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Sure but if she enforces Biden there go her progressive bonafides

She endorsed Hillary, so if that ship was going to sail...