2015/2016 Trade Speculation and Rumors

[FBI]

Please no Ortio for a 2nd.. It's going to be the anti-kipper trade and haunt us for years.

[Strange Brew]

I don't know - I could live with a 2nd for Ortio. That's not too bad is it?

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don't know - I could live with a 2nd for Ortio. That's not too bad is it?

It isn't bad at all - if you are sure Ortio isn't going to amount to anything.

Otherwise, the Flames will probably end up spending that 2nd round pick on another goalie prospect and waiting 4-5 years for that prospect to get to the point where Ortio is now - reasonable optimism and ready for a good long look as a backup (if things go well that is).

It would be of little interest to the Flames I am sure in making a trade for a 2nd round pick.

[Samonadreau]

Stupid question:

How much salary can you retain in a trade? What if you traded ramo or hiller and retained all but like 900k for some kind of a pick?

You would essentially be buying a pick (albeit an expensive pick) and decluttering the crease.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Stupid question:

How much salary can you retain in a trade? What if you traded ramo or hiller and retained all but like 900k for some kind of a pick?

You would essentially be buying a pick (albeit an expensive pick) and decluttering the crease.

50% I believe

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

50% I believe

Ya i just confirmed that. 50%. Gawd theres no easy way outta this one.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

It isn't bad at all - if you are sure Ortio isn't going to amount to anything.

Otherwise, the Flames will probably end up spending that 2nd round pick on another goalie prospect and waiting 4-5 years for that prospect to get to the point where Ortio is now - reasonable optimism and ready for a good long look as a backup (if things go well that is).

It would be of little interest to the Flames I am sure in making a trade for a 2nd round pick.

I don't quite agree with you there. 2nd round picks are valuable trade commodities at the deadline and at the draft. Arguably more valuable than a 3rd string goalie. If Hartley thought Ortio was the goalie of the future he would be playing.

If the ultimate goal is to land a true #1 then the pick may be more helpful.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

It isn't bad at all - if you are sure Ortio isn't going to amount to anything.

Otherwise, the Flames will probably end up spending that 2nd round pick on another goalie prospect and waiting 4-5 years for that prospect to get to the point where Ortio is now - reasonable optimism and ready for a good long look as a backup (if things go well that is).

It would be of little interest to the Flames I am sure in making a trade for a 2nd round pick.

Looknat what Treliving did with multiple second round picks this past summer. A second rounder is valuable currency at the draft or deadline to add to the team. Also it could add to the strong prospect base.

I think the Flames future number 1 is Gillies anyway. Having said all that I prefer to trade Hiller or Ramo for a 3rd than Ortio for a 2nd but would rather trade Ortio for a 2nd than give Hillernor Ramo away for nothing

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[GreenLantern2814]

Wednesday proved why you don't keep Ramo over Hiller - they are equal parts good and inconsistent - Hiller has several hundred more NHL games under his belt and ever so slightly better numbers.

If Lehner is out for even a month, Ramo should be a Saber. It doesnt matter if it takes 50% retained.

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[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don't quite agree with you there. 2nd round picks are valuable trade commodities at the deadline and at the draft. Arguably more valuable than a 3rd string goalie. If Hartley thought Ortio was the goalie of the future he would be playing.

If the ultimate goal is to land a true #1 then the pick may be more helpful.

Ortio hasn't done enough to distinguish himself as leaps and bounds better than either Ramo or Hiller at this point, and that's what needs to happen for a rookie to take a veteran's job. Especially in net.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I don't quite agree with you there. 2nd round picks are valuable trade commodities at the deadline and at the draft. Arguably more valuable than a 3rd string goalie. If Hartley thought Ortio was the goalie of the future he would be playing.

If the ultimate goal is to land a true #1 then the pick may be more helpful.

A 2nd round pick could be more valuable than a 3rd string goalie for sure.

The question is: is Ortio a 3rd string goalie? I think almost everyone here would agree that he is not.

Note: please don't quote Hartley's comment as a rebuttal. We know what he said, the issue is what did he mean? And for me, like GreenLantern said, all it means is that he hasn't passed the vets YET. Today. Give it time, he's only played a handful of games.

The Flames have invested far too much, and gotten Ortio this close to taking over, simply to trade him for a pick and start over. Unless they think he doesn't have it (which I strongly doubt)

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

A 2nd round pick could be more valuable than a 3rd string goalie for sure.

The question is: is Ortio a 3rd string goalie? I think almost everyone here would agree that he is not.

Note: please don't quote Hartley's comment as a rebuttal. We know what he said, the issue is what did he mean? And for me, like GreenLantern said, all it means is that he hasn't passed the vets YET. Today. Give it time, he's only played a handful of games.

The Flames have invested far too much, and gotten Ortio this close to taking over, simply to trade him for a pick and start over. Unless they think he doesn't have it (which I strongly doubt)

Based on what we saw from Ortio last year I think he is on par with Ramo, but I have some concerns that this may be his high watermark.

If gillies looks like he is a year away, Ortio might be the odd man out.

The pressure for Ortio may be coming from below rather than up top

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Based on what we saw from Ortio last year I think he is on par with Ramo, but I have some concerns that this may be his high watermark.

If gillies looks like he is a year away, Ortio might be the odd man out.

Gillies would have to shoot the lights out this year in order for the Flames to accelerate his development that much.

And if that were in fact the case (very unlikely) then yeah, they might be less concerned about Ortio.

Otherwise, no way.

Goalies are unpredictable. You need to develop as many as possible. When you get one this close to becoming a solid NHLer, you don't just throw in the towel the first time he let's in a soft goal.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Based on what we saw from Ortio last year I think he is on par with Ramo, but I have some concerns that this may be his high watermark.

If gillies looks like he is a year away, Ortio might be the odd man out.

The pressure for Ortio may be coming from below rather than up top

Ortio has a more compact style than Ramo. His economy of movement is terrific, and his fundamentals are better than either vet. Hiller and Ramo are prone to lazy mental lapses, not being tight on posts and things of this nature.

When I watch Ortio play, I see a goaltender who's style lends itself to replicating results. He reads the play very well, physically he can make every save you need him to. It's simply a matter of seasoning.

When I watch Ramo, I see a freak who can steal you games as easily as he can lose them. With Hiller, replace freak with vet, and shout out to his fashion choices.

[Finger Cookin]

Gillies is almost certainly more than a year away. We already have two of the highest paid pending free-agent goalies. Not sure that a better starter can be found on that list, either - and we know the list will be much smaller by the time July 1 rolls around.

Ortio stepping up and tapping into upside we all hope is there would sure be nice. Finding a back-up to pair him with would be a lot easier than trading for a starter for the next few seasons.

EDIT: Not sure why the link didn't show all the FA goalies, here it is via old fashioned copy pasta.

1. CAM WARD
UFA	G	CAR	31	$6,800,000	$6,300,000
2. JONAS HILLER
UFA	G	CGY	33	$4,500,000	$4,500,000
3. KARRI RAMO
UFA	G	CGY	29	$3,800,000	$3,800,000
4. NIKLAS BACKSTROM
UFA	G	MIN	37	$4,000,000	$3,416,667
5. JAMES REIMER
UFA	G	TOR	27	$2,000,000	$2,300,000
6. BEN SCRIVENS
UFA	G	EDM	29	$2,300,000	$2,300,000
7. ANTON KHUDOBIN
UFA	G	ANA	29	$2,500,000	$2,250,000
8. ALEX STALOCK
UFA	G	SJS	28	$1,700,000	$1,600,000
9. CAM TALBOT
UFA	G	EDM	28	$1,450,000	$1,450,000
10. CHAD JOHNSON
UFA	G	BUF	29	$1,600,000	$1,300,000
11. JHONAS ENROTH
UFA	G	LAK	27	$1,250,000	$1,250,000
12. DARCY KUEMPER
RFA	G	MIN	25	$1,500,000	$1,250,000
13. FREDERIK ANDERSEN
RFA	G	ANA	26	$1,300,000	$1,150,000
14. AL MONTOYA
UFA	G	FLO	30	$1,100,000	$1,050,000
15. ANDERS NILSSON
RFA	G	EDM	25	$1,000,000	$1,000,000
16. JUSTIN PETERS
UFA	G	WAS	29	$950,000	$950,000
17. BRODY HOFFMAN
RFA	G	MIN	24	$925,000	$925,000
18. ANDERS LINDBACK
UFA	G	ARI	27	$875,000	$875,000
19. CALVIN PICKARD
RFA	G	COL	23	$850,500	$850,500
20. JOEL RUMPEL
RFA	G	SJS	24	$850,000	$850,000
21. SAM BRITTAIN
RFA	G	FLO	23	$780,000	$755,000
22. ANTTI RAANTA
UFA	G	NYR	26	$800,000	$750,000
23. PETR MRAZEK
RFA	G	DET	23	$737,500	$737,500
24. SAMI AITTOKALLIO
RFA	G	COL	23	$735,000	$735,000
25. CARTER HUTTON
UFA	G	NSH	29	$750,000	$725,000
26. PHEONIX COPLEY
RFA	G	STL	23	$767,500	$705,000
27. JONAS GUSTAVSSON
UFA	G	BOS	30	$700,000	$700,000
28. GARRET SPARKS
RFA	G	TOR	22	$670,000	$670,000
29. NIKLAS TREUTLE
RFA	G	ARI	24	$667,500	$667,500
30. LAURENT BROSSOIT
RFA	G	EDM	22	$692,500	$659,167
31. NIKLAS LUNDSTROM
RFA	G	STL	22	$697,500	$655,833
32. ANTON FORSBERG
RFA	G	CBJ	22	$700,000	$655,000
33. JACK CAMPBELL
RFA	G	DAL	23	$650,000	$650,000
34. CHRISTOPHER GIBSON
RFA	G	NYI	22	$675,000	$650,000
35. RASMUS TIRRONEN
RFA	G	CAR	24	$645,000	$645,000
36. JORDAN BINNINGTON
RFA	G	STL	22	$625,000	$636,111
37. PATRIK BARTOSAK
RFA	G	LAK	22	$638,000	$620,000
38. KRISTERS GUDLEVSKIS
RFA	G	TBL	23	$615,000	$608,333
39. NATHAN LIEUWEN
RFA	G	BUF	24	$605,000	$605,000
40. LOUIS DOMINGUE
RFA	G	ARI	23	$605,000	$605,000
41. JEFF ZATKOFF
UFA	G	PIT	28	$600,000	$600,000
42. KEVIN POULIN
RFA	G	TBL	25	$600,000	$600,000
43. JONI ORTIO
RFA	G	CGY	24	$600,000	$600,000
44. JASON LABARBERA
UFA	G	PHI	35	$600,000	$600,000
45. DREW MACINTYRE
UFA	G	CAR	32	$600,000	$600,000
46. CEDRICK DESJARDINS
UFA	G	NYR	30	$600,000	$600,000
47. JEREMY SMITH
UFA	G	BOS	26	$600,000	$600,000
48. TOM MCCOLLUM
RFA	G	DET	25	$600,000	$600,000
49. JOE CANNATA
RFA	G	VAN	25	$600,000	$600,000
50. JARED COREAU
RFA	G	DET	23	$600,000	$600,000
51. MAXIME LAGACE
RFA	G	DAL	22	$575,000	$581,667
52. ANDREY MAKAROV
RFA	G	BUF	22	$575,000	$578,333
53. MICHAEL HUTCHINSON
RFA	G	WPG	25	$600,000	$575,000
54. DAN ELLIS
UFA	G	WAS	35	$575,000	$575,000
55. MICHAEL LEIGHTON
UFA	G	CHI	34	$575,000	$575,000
56. YANN DANIS
UFA	G	NJD	34	$575,000	$575,000
57. PETER BUDAJ
UFA	G	LAK	33	$575,000	$575,000
58. AARON DELL
UFA	G	SJS	26	$575,000	$575,000
59. MAREK MAZANEC
RFA	G	NSH	24	$575,000	$575,000
60. ROMAN WILL
RFA	G	COL	23	$585,000	$572,500
61. JEAN-FRANCOIS BERUBE
RFA	G	NYI	24	$575,000	$562,500
62. DUSTIN TOKARSKI
RFA	G	MTL	26	$575,000	$562,500

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@BfloBizJimFink
Scouts from 14 NHL teams at today's @BuffaloSabres game including Calgary Flames

Flames don't play Buffalo until December. Don't play Lightning until November 12

[hockey.modern]

Flames scouts were also at the Devils game the other day as well.