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[Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cheerio

Complete stop in a dedicated merge lane
OMG This!

I blame it on the large number of Winnipeggers in Calgary. There is not one single merge in Winnipeg. They are all Yields.

[Dion]

I hate drivers who can't be bothered to sweep all the snow off thier car. You have some that leave the snow on thier back window and then there's the jackboots who leave the snow on thier roof. There's nothing worse than driving down the Deerfoot and some asshats snow flies off his roof onto your windshield blinding you until you get the wipers going.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Dion

I hate drivers who can't be bothered to sweep all the snow off thier car. You have some that leave the snow on thier back window and then there's the jackboots who leave the snow on thier roof. There's nothing worse than driving down the Deerfoot and some asshats snow flies off his roof onto your windshield blinding you until you get the wipers going.

In Lethbridge on Thursday morning I was behind a Dodge Neon whose rear was completely covered in snow. Couldn't see the center brake, tail lights or anything. Not even a tiny bit of light getting through. I lane changed away and was right next to her, and a few minutes later a cop rear ended her... hard. I had to get to work, but I was kinda curious to see the aftermath of that accident.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy
You are driving on the highway and you see a car that is waiting to turn onto the highway. What do you do?

1. Continue driving as you were and compleletly ignore them?
2. Continue driving while keeping an eye on them as you move over to the left in your lane?
3. Safely change into the left hand lane?

I can only assume you are doing option 1.

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ok smart guy, you want me to move into on coming traffic so buddy can make a unsafe turn onto the highway. Gotch ya.

What makes you think I am driving on a 4 lane highway?

Based on your response I can only assume you have a piss poor attitude and you have never done any of the defense driving things that I suggested. So yes. Again, I assume you do option #1.

Do I seriously have to say that you go into the left hand lane only if you are on a divided highway.

Do you understand the part of moving over into the left hand part of your lane? About keeping an eye on the person who may pull into the road? Do I have to explain that to you?

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Rathji

I don't understand how someone with 3 accidents in 3 years could think they were a good driver.

Dunning-Kruger effect.

Seriously, you folks need to read up on this. It explains tons of behavior in the world, and not just on the roads. It can be a valuable tool for helping find true experts, and to detect people who think they are experts but aren't (which is even more dangerous than people who know they aren't experts, but project themselves as such).

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Dion

I hate drivers who can't be bothered to sweep all the snow off thier car. You have some that leave the snow on thier back window and then there's the jackboots who leave the snow on thier roof. There's nothing worse than driving down the Deerfoot and some asshats snow flies off his roof onto your windshield blinding you until you get the wipers going.

The worst is when it becomes a sheet of airborne ice, if its big enough it could smash your windshield.

[Weiser Wonder]

Haha that reminds me of my ex who thought she was a great driver, but had received a ticket on two separate occasions for tailgating...a cop.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

Dunning-Kruger effect.

Seriously, you folks need to read up on this. It explains tons of behavior in the world, and not just on the roads. It can be a valuable tool for helping find true experts, and to detect people who think they are experts but aren't (which is even more dangerous than people who know they aren't experts, but project themselves as such).

Does this Dunning-Kruger effect include people who think they have the ability to diagnose a 3rd party via a post on a message board ?

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by sclitheroe

Dunning-Kruger effect.

Seriously, you folks need to read up on this. It explains tons of behavior in the world, and not just on the roads. It can be a valuable tool for helping find true experts, and to detect people who think they are experts but aren't (which is even more dangerous than people who know they aren't experts, but project themselves as such).

What about the fact that I think I am pretty good at my job? Oh crap ...

Actually, it does make a lot of sense. If I think I am bad at something then I will put more effort into it which will make me better. If I think I am good at something, then I will slack and then by extension be worse at actually doing it. Also, if you think you really know everything but you really don't then chances are you are totally missing some important information that would make you better at it, whereas if you really do know everything you have a better understanding of where your shortcomings are and by extension think you are worse because of all the gaps, however minor, you see in your knowledge.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Much better.

FYP.

Nothing is more annoying than someone correcting someone, and not being 100% perfect.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by puckluck

FYP.

Nothing is more annoying than someone correcting someone, and not being 100% perfect.

I was kidding around Mr.Serious.

[puckluck]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I was kidding around Mr.Serious.

Ok there Mr. I'm bad at sounding sarcastic.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Rathji

whereas if you really do know everything you have a better understanding of where your shortcomings are and by extension think you are worse because of all the gaps, however minor, you see in your knowledge.

This is an important aspect of it.

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by Pinner

Does this Dunning-Kruger effect include people who think they have the ability to diagnose a 3rd party via a post on a message board ?

It's not a diagnosis, it's a phenomenon. It's a measurable and demonstrated form of cognitive bias.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustAnotherGuy
You are driving on the highway and you see a car that is waiting to turn onto the highway. What do you do?

1. Continue driving as you were and compleletly ignore them?
2. Continue driving while keeping an eye on them as you move over to the left in your lane?
3. Safely change into the left hand lane?

I can only assume you are doing option 1.




Based on your response I can only assume you have a piss poor attitude and you have never done any of the defense driving things that I suggested. So yes. Again, I assume you do option #1.

Do I seriously have to say that you go into the left hand lane only if you are on a divided highway.

Do you understand the part of moving over into the left hand part of your lane? About keeping an eye on the person who may pull into the road? Do I have to explain that to you?

Well you assumed wrong buddy and now you look like a dork for making such an assumption. Like I posted before, I do everything that you so thoughfully assumed that I didn't do. You assumed that I drive on a 4 lane highway (which I don't). You failed to realize that no matter how close you are watching a vehicle stopped on a highway approach, they can drive out in front of you at any time.

Now that you have made yourself look like a dork for making all your assumptions you are now trying to back track and make some absurd suggestion that moving over into the left part or "your" lane would do anything to avoid a collision on a 2 lane highway when some tard decides to proceed directly in front of you.

You might aswell stop now before you make yourself look any more of an idiot.

FYI: I have drove more than 750,000 km since the age of 12 without 1 collision. I have both defensive and emergency driver training. I can only conclude that since you are being so stubborn about this, that you are in fact one of these types of drivers that proceed unsafely from a stop sign. Someone who who has no concept of other drivers on the road or distances between vehicles approaching and your own vehicle.

Let me know and I can suggest a few driver training schools for you.

[Pinner]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Well you assumed wrong buddy and now you look like a dork for making such an assumption. Like I posted before, I do everything that you so thoughfully assumed that I didn't do. You assumed that I drive on a 4 lane highway (which I don't). You failed to realize that no matter how close you are watching a vehicle stopped on a highway approach, they can drive out in front of you at any time.

Now that you have made yourself look like a dork for making all your assumptions you are now trying to back track and make some absurd suggestion that moving over into the left part or "your" lane would do anything to avoid a collision on a 2 lane highway when some tard decides to proceed directly in front of you.

You might aswell stop now before you make yourself look any more of an idiot.

FYI: I have drove more than 750,000 km since the age of 12 without 1 collision. I have both defensive and emergency driver training. I can only conclude that since you are being so stubborn about this, that you are in fact one of these types of drivers that proceed unsafely from a stop sign. Someone who who has no concept of other drivers on the road or distances between vehicles approaching and your own vehicle.

Let me know and I can suggest a few driver training schools for you.

Apparent case of Dunning-Kruger effect

[sclitheroe]

Originally Posted by fotze

I wonder if the dunning Kruger effect also applies to people who know about the effect and then see themselves as more competent because they now feel they can identify those suffering from the effect. Its a vicious cycle.

No, Dunning-Kruger would suggest that an increased awareness of the potential for cognitive bias and errors in metacognition would make you more likely to underestimate competency since you realize you are likely to experience the phenomenon.

It's also possible this thread is comprised solely of exceptional people with exceptional driving talent. Heck one of you could be Jackie Stewart for all I know.

[JustAnotherGuy]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Ok smart guy, you want me to move into on coming traffic so buddy can make a unsafe turn onto the highway. Gotch ya.

What makes you think I am driving on a 4 lane highway?

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Well you assumed wrong buddy and now you look like a dork for making such an assumption. Like I posted before, I do everything that you so thoughfully assumed that I didn't do. You assumed that I drive on a 4 lane highway (which I don't). You failed to realize that no matter how close you are watching a vehicle stopped on a highway approach, they can drive out in front of you at any time.

Now that you have made yourself look like a dork for making all your assumptions you are now trying to back track and make some absurd suggestion that moving over into the left part or "your" lane would do anything to avoid a collision on a 2 lane highway when some tard decides to proceed directly in front of you.

You might aswell stop now before you make yourself look any more of an idiot.

FYI: I have drove more than 750,000 km since the age of 12 without 1 collision. I have both defensive and emergency driver training. I can only conclude that since you are being so stubborn about this, that you are in fact one of these types of drivers that proceed unsafely from a stop sign. Someone who who has no concept of other drivers on the road or distances between vehicles approaching and your own vehicle.

Let me know and I can suggest a few driver training schools for you.

Okay, I am a dork and an idiot and you are a Mr. Know it All Driver who has a reading comphrension problem combined with anger issues.

[algernon]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Wow, the arrogance. I don't have to worry about crime, smog or noise. So you can take your condescending tree hugger attitude and bugger off.

Haha, you moved away to get away from the smog that you contribute to,and I am a tree hugger?. I was making fun of your commute. I can't figure out how people can (sanely) live spending so much time in their cars. At least you cords are safe out in the country.

Oh, BTW, that little + sign with the pen allows you to multi-quote rather than post 4 times.

Originally Posted by Reaper

I blame it on the large number of Winnipeggers in Calgary. There is not one single merge in Winnipeg. They are all Yields.

Exactly. My Fiancee defends Winnipeg's lack of merge lanes because it was built up before cars. So? Calgary has them, so use 'em FFS.

Originally Posted by Dion

I hate drivers who can't be bothered to sweep all the snow off thier car. You have some that leave the snow on thier back window and then there's the jackboots who leave the snow on thier roof. There's nothing worse than driving down the Deerfoot and some asshats snow flies off his roof onto your windshield blinding you until you get the wipers going.

I wonder if people complaining about the snow on the rear window also condemn cargo vans, cube vans and semi trucks, who don't have rear windows?
While annoying, is snow blowing off of a vehicle any different than driving in a blizzard?

[Rathji]

Originally Posted by algernon

While annoying, is snow blowing off of a vehicle any different than driving in a blizzard?

No it isn't really that much different.

When driving in a blizzard, you are expecting a blizzard. When driving on Deerfoot at 8am when there isn't a blizzard you don't really expect your windshield to be instantly covered in snow.