Battle of Alberta Part 2: Eskimos at Stampeders - Labour Day Classics

[calgaryrocks]

Originally Posted by The Special One

I disagree. If you were to take the top eight teams in the NCAA rankings they would kill the CFL teams. We're talking 18-23 year old kids here. That's just the way it is, don't kid yourself.

ok, well i disagree with you.
players in sports like hockey and football hit thier peak in their mid 20s, not around 20. they are young, they play half the season that pros do.

[The Special One]

Originally Posted by calgaryrocks

ok, well i disagree with you.
players in sports like hockey and football hit thier peak in their mid 20s, not around 20. they are young, they play half the season that pros do.

I completely agree with you. That's exactly my point. Veteran CFLers would get their asses handed to them by a bunch of kids who are bigger, stronger, faster, and far far more skilled.

[Pagal4321]

Originally Posted by The Special One

I completely agree with you. That's exactly my point. Veteran CFLers would get their asses handed to them by a bunch of kids who are bigger, stronger, faster, and far far more skilled.

Will you give it a rest already. We get it, you don't like the CFL, but this is a thread to talk about the Labour Day game, not to discuss the NFL vs. CFL vs. NCAA vs. UFL.

You want to start another thread about that, go right ahead, stop polluting this thread with your constant bickering.

[The Special One]

Hang on a second, I don't have any problem with the CFL. I follow it myself and enjoy going to games. It's all we have up here for football.

I didn't come in here trying to start anything. A guy asked a simple question in regards to why someone had posted "it's only the CFL" and I answered it for him. If you don't like the answers, then maybe you should cease asking scary questions.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by The Special One

Hang on a second, I don't have any problem with the CFL.

Of course you don't.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by The Special One

I disagree. If you were to take the top eight teams in the NCAA rankings they would kill the CFL teams. We're talking 18-23 year old kids here. That's just the way it is, don't kid yourself.

LOL, the scores wouldn't even be close. The CFL teams would win by at least 70 (assuming the were trying to run up the score).

What you just said is similar to saying that the top CHL teams would beat NHL teams. LOL.

[anyonebutedmonton]

Originally Posted by You Need a Thneed

LOL, the scores wouldn't even be close. The CFL teams would win by at least 70 (assuming the were trying to run up the score).

What you just said is similar to saying that the top CHL teams would beat NHL teams. LOL.

If you gave the NCAA teams time to adapt to the rules of the CFL they would beat any CFL team no question. If you played using NCAA rules it would be embarassing.

Most of the guys on a CFL roster wouldn't have even made any of the top NCAA rosters.

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by anyonebutedmonton

If you gave the NCAA teams time to adapt to the rules of the CFL they would beat any CFL team no question. If you played using NCAA rules it would be embarassing.

Most of the guys on a CFL roster wouldn't have even made any of the top NCAA rosters.

Really just an all around ######ed post. Most of the import CFL players played NCAA ball.

[arloiginla]

Esks fired offensive coordinator Rick "Dink and Dunk" Worman.

Hate to say it but that should be good for a win on Friday - firing the coach always provides a quick boost.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by anyonebutedmonton

If you gave the NCAA teams time to adapt to the rules of the CFL they would beat any CFL team no question. If you played using NCAA rules it would be embarassing.

Most of the guys on a CFL roster wouldn't have even made any of the top NCAA rosters.

No. it's exactly like saying that the best junior hockey team in Canada could beat an NHL team. Sorry, it's not going to happen.

90% of the players on even the best NCAA teams will never play professional football of any kind, they simply aren't good enough.

I don't see how the rules would affect the outcome too much, Professional players, are simply MUCH bigger, stronger and faster than the average college football player.

Sure, the top NCAA teams might have 1-2 players that might be the best players on the field. The CFL teams could easily adapt their defense to shut down that one player, and the rest of the CFL team would be so far ahead of the rest of the college players, the game would be an embarrasment. Seriously, men playing against boys.

If someone assembled the all-star team of NCAA football, taking the best players from hundreds of different teams, and practiced those players together like a team, then they probably could at least compete with the CFL teams, even have a good chance to win. Then you are basically asking whether a team of soon-to-be-NFL backups could beat a CFL team, and yes, they probably could.

Even the best NCAA teams have WAY too many holes - players that just aren't close to being at a professional level, and CFL teams would exploit those holes, over and over again, and the college teams would not be able to adapt, simply because there would be WAY too many holes.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Really just an all around ######ed post. Most of the import CFL players played NCAA ball.

And many of the non-imports as well. And virtually all of the imports.

[Cowboy89]

Originally Posted by arloiginla

Esks fired offensive coordinator Rick "Dink and Dunk" Worman.

Hate to say it but that should be good for a win on Friday - firing the coach always provides a quick boost.

It should be when a team has a full week to practice and adjust to the change. The teams had yesterday off to rest, full practice today, then no-contact walk through tomorrow, then bam, gameday. No doubt the Eskimos will be more fired up on Friday, but having a change of offensive playcalling with only one day of practice could lead to a bunch of turnovers.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by arloiginla

Esks fired offensive coordinator Rick "Dink and Dunk" Worman.

Hate to say it but that should be good for a win on Friday - firing the coach always provides a quick boost.

Wow - they only have one day of practice with a new coordinator.

[anyonebutedmonton]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Most of the import CFL players played NCAA ball.

They may have played NCAA ball but name me a few who were stars on teams like USC or Texas. Most of the CFL players were average to good college players and very few went to any big team school.

For sure there are exceptions to this but overall I really can't see any CFL team standing up to USC, Florida, Texas etc. They may have the size and the experience but they just wouldn't be able to handle the athleticism and talent.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by anyonebutedmonton

They may have played NCAA ball but name me a few who were stars on teams like USC or Texas. Most of the CFL players were average to good college players and very few went to any big team school.

For sure there are exceptions to this but overall I really can't see any CFL team standing up to USC, Florida, Texas etc. They may have the size and the experience but they just wouldn't be able to handle the athleticism and talent.

You really should give up on this point. You don't know what you are talking about. Many CFL players come from big NCAA programs. They are elite athletes, just an eyelash away from being NFL players.

Copeland was QB at Tennessee.

In four years with the University of Tennessee, Copeland was a quarterback and then a wide receiver. He hauled in 103 receptions for 1,301 yards and 10 touchdowns and was 17-of-24 in passing for 199 yards. He won a national championship as a member of the Volunteers in 1998.

http://www.stampeders.com/team/player_roster/

http://en.montrealalouettes.com/rost...am/9/sort/last

http://www.esks.com/roster/index/team/3/sort/last

http://www.bclions.com/roster/index/team/1

http://www.argonauts.ca/roster/index/team/7/sort/last

http://www.ticats.ca/roster/index/team/6

http://www.bluebombers.com/roster/index/team/5

http://riderville.com/roster/index/team/4/sort/last

Juwan Simpson (CGY):

Simpson was a starter at linebacker for his final 24 games with the Alabama Crimson Tide. A defensive captain his senior season, he finished the year with a career-best 86 tackles, two forced fumbles and an interception. He was voted Alabama’s most improved linebacker in both 2003 and 2005. He was an academic All-Southeastern Conference selection in 2005 and was on the all-SEC freshman team in 2003.

Alain Kashama (CGY):

He played in 40 games at Michigan, registering 37 defensive tackles, 11 tackles for losses, six sacks, one forced fumble and two knockdowns. Kashama played both at defensive end and on special teams for the Wolverines and was one of just six true freshmen to see action for Michigan in 2000. He was also named to the Rivals100.com Freshman All-America first team.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by The Special One

I disagree. If you were to take the top eight teams in the NCAA rankings they would kill the CFL teams. We're talking 18-23 year old kids here. That's just the way it is, don't kid yourself.

Okay, I'll bite. Let's go back to 2004 and look at the #8 team, the Iowa Hawkeyes.

This is a team that you think could beat any team in the CFL:
One NFL calibre defensive tackle - Jonathan Banineaux
One NFL calibre safety - Sean Consadine
Two NFL calibre linebackers - Chad Greenway, Matt Roth
One NFL calibre special teams player - Charles Godfrey (Godfrey became an NFL safety, but in 2004 just did special teams duty for Iowa)
One NFL practice-roster calibre offensive lineman - Mike Elgin
One NFL practice calibre linebacker - Abdul Hodge
One NFL practice-roster calibre safety - Marcus Paschal
One CFL calibre defensive back - Jovon Johnson
The Calgary Stampeders' third-stringer QB
And the rest of the team made up of guys who were not good enough to continue playing football at any level. No pro-level running back, no pro-level receivers, no pro-level kicker... In 2004, maybe two, three of those guys would have had the talent to make CFL rosters, and none of them as starters. I'm not sure that this team even scores a touchdown against a CFL team.

Seriously, this is one of the stupidest statements I've heard made on this site.

[troutman]

For comparsion, here is the roster of the Cleveland Browns.

http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/roster.php

There are many players from smaller NCAA programs playing in the NFL too.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by octothorp

I'm not sure that this team even scores a point against a CFL team.

fixed, IMO. Even with CFL rules.

[anyonebutedmonton]

Kevin Arbet
Collin Ashton
Sam Baker
Darnell Bing
John David Booty
William Buchanon
Reggie Bush
Dominique Byrd
Matt Cassel
Shaun Cody
Fred Davis
Sedrick Ellis
Matt Grootegoed
Alex Holmes
Ryan Kalil
Ryan Killeen
David Kirtman
Lawrence Jackson
Dwayne Jarrett
Winston Justice
Jason Leach
Matt Leinart
Oscar Lua
Deuce Lutui
Tom Malone
Clay Matthews III
Fred Matua
Chris McFoy
Jason Mitchell
Fili Moala
Mike Patterson
Ryan Powdrell
Drew Radovich
Chilo Rachal
LaJuan Ramsey
Keith Rivers
Frostee Rucker
Dallas Sartz
Steve Smith
Matt Spanos
Lofa Tatupu
Terrell Thomas
John Walker
Scott Ware
Chauncey Washington
Lee Webb
LenDale White
Kyle Williams
Mike Williams
Thomas Williams
Eric Wright
Manuel Wright
Justin Wyatt

All these players played for the 2004 USC Trojans.

All these players went on to be NFL Players.

You can argue that many of these players were not standouts in the NFL but quite a few were and the remainder could be fairly competitive with most CFL players. The top end talent is what I am basing my argument on. There isn't a team in the CFL that could boast of having White, Bush, Leinart, Cassel etc.

I want to clarify my argument further by saying I think only the top one or two schools each year could compete and/or beat any CFL team (Not #8 in the country, only the truly elite).

I just think it is an interesting discussion piece and seeing as how we will never be treated to a game between them its all we can do... Rather than dismiss my point of view and be rude why not just state yours and try and prove me wrong. Nothing is gained by belittling each other

I apologize for derailing this thread into an NCAA vs. CFL session it is just something that I often find myself contemplating.

[JohnnyFlame]

Stamps add Hughes and George though it's doubtful they are ready to roll on Friday. But still good news for Stamps fans.