How many people here have driven drunk?

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Yeah... sorry, flip. The research may be inconclusive, but isn't the best thing just not driving when your judgement/attention is impaired in any way?

To me, driving stoned is at least as bad as driving drunk, and depending on the drug could be much, much worse. Mind you, I also think driving while talking on your cell phone is extremely dangerous.

[flip]

Originally Posted by ken0042

I am curious, where did you these tests conducted?

Bottom line is you shouldn't be driving while impaired. That includes booze, pot, drugs, using your cell phone.

Your rhetorical question is pretty silly. I said IMO about 20 times in my last 3 posts. I made it quite clear that it is IN MY OPINION and I tried to back it up with reasons why my opinion is such.

As to your bottom line, I'll take it one further. I believe, FOR ME, driving high is SAFER than someone on their cell phone, arguing with their kids or driving tired.

My bottom line is no one should drive in an unsafe manner. When I'm high I believe that it is safe for me to be driving because of the numerous factors and scenarios that I've already listed.

[flip]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Yeah... sorry, flip. The research may be inconclusive, but isn't the best thing just not driving when your judgement/attention is impaired in any way?

To me, driving stoned is at least as bad as driving drunk, and depending on the drug could be much, much worse. Mind you, I also think driving while talking on your cell phone is extremely dangerous.

It would be very interesting to determine just how impaired my reflexes, attention etc is when I'm high (anywhere from 20mins to 2hrs after smoking).

I bet I'd score a lot higher than people in an argument, people texting, changing CDs, very tired etc.

I also think drunk people would be last by a mile. And people who don't have a tolerance for weed, and therefore are dangerous when driving, would score really low as well.

[ken0042]

Originally Posted by flip

Your rhetorical question is pretty silly. I said IMO about 20 times in my last 3 posts. I made it quite clear that it is IN MY OPINION and I tried to back it up with reasons why my opinion is such.

Right, and I'm saying that I don't think that a person that is high is qualified to be making judgements about driving. Your flaw is drugs impair your brain's ability to function. In your impaired state you think you are a good driver.

One time while high I swore the guitar part of the music was coming out of the computer monitor. Doesn't mean that it was; it just means that I was high.

[enthused]

Originally Posted by flip

Your rhetorical question is pretty silly. I said IMO about 20 times in my last 3 posts. I made it quite clear that it is IN MY OPINION and I tried to back it up with reasons why my opinion is such.

As to your bottom line, I'll take it one further. I believe, FOR ME, driving high is SAFER than someone on their cell phone, arguing with their kids or driving tired.

My bottom line is no one should drive in an unsafe manner. When I'm high I believe that it is safe for me to be driving because of the numerous factors and scenarios that I've already listed.

Yeah... you "believe" that you driving high is safe, but that doesn't mean it is.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by flip

Sainters - That is a big thing. I'm never comfortable driving drunk, nor am I comfortable when I'm in a car with my friends who are drunk.

But when I smoke weed with noobs I discourage them from driving because they simply can't function when they are that high, I of course don't get nearly as high because I have a tolerance.

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You're probably one of those people who doesn't inhale and just likes the marijuana image.

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by flip

As to your bottom line, I'll take it one further. I believe, FOR ME, driving high is SAFER than someone on their cell phone, arguing with their kids or driving tired.

Who knows--you may be right. But let's not test it. Let's agree to this: you can continue to believe that you COULD drive high and it would be safe. I won't disagree with that, as long as you promise never to actually DO it, especially if I'm on the road driving with my wife and young daughter.

[Gozer]

Driving while high is more dangerous than driving while sober, but I'd rather be in the car with someone who is high rather than someone very tired or texting.

[Dion]

In a laboratory study at NIDA's Addiction Research Center in Baltimore that controlled for alcohol's confounding effect, Dr. Heishman tested marijuana's effects on the functional components of driving. Study subjects smoked a marijuana cigarette, waited 10 minutes, then smoked another cigarette. Both cigarettes contained either 0, 1.8, or 3.6 percent THC. Twenty minutes after smoking the cigarettes, the subjects were given a standard sobriety test similar to a roadside sobriety test. The test showed that marijuana significantly impaired their ability to stand on one leg for 30 seconds or touch their finger to their nose. As the dose of THC increased, the subjects swayed more, raised their arms, and had to put their feet down in an attempt to maintain their balance. Subjects also committed 2.5 times more errors when they attempted to touch their nose with their finger.

The data from these laboratory studies show that marijuana impairs balance and coordination - functional components important to driving - in a dose-related way, said Dr. Heishman. These effects may be related to reported marijuana-induced impairment of automobile driving, he stated.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/Nida_Notes/...Marijuana.html

[Dion]

Originally Posted by flip

Wow you could have at least picked a study that was on weed.

Sorry Dion but it is obvious you don't smoke weed and therefore are pulling this one out of your you-know-what. IMO opinion it is irresponsible to fake the context of that article for your own purposes. You just used the Fox News school of sourcing. You took an article about DRINKING and used a few sentences out of context to try and prove your point. You should post more of the article or not post it at all. You are going to mislead people. Is it really worth winning the argument if you've BSed your way there?

Did you see any of your posts quoted?

FYI I posted that stuff for infromation purposes and mislead nobody.

Sometimes you can be an arrogant prick!

[corporatejay]

I would venture to guess that many here have never driven impaired, but a large percentage have driven with a blood alcohol over 0.08 (which is an offense unto itself).

If you've been BOMBED on a saturday night, it's likely that if you drove at all on Sunday and took a breathalyzer, you were probably over the legal limit.

[Teh_Bandwagoner]

Nope. I'm fairly adamant about it as well.

The closest was actually two weekends ago during Stampede. I was at my buddy's bachelor party.

It was a pub crawl. I had about 4 drinks on the night (over about a 4 hour period), and we were at the 3rd of 4 bars. By then my friend was toasted. So much so that he passed out on the sidewalk in front of Back Alley. We all had a few drinks in us (some more than others). But we figured we needed to get him home. Since I drank the least, my buddy insisted I go and pick up the car from Cowboys. I told him not a chance. I asked my friend to call his wife to help us get him home, but he didn't want to because he didn't want to make his wife drive there from Airdrie (plus I think he wanted to keep drinking lol).

So instead, I broke the cardinal rule of a stag and called the fiance. She was not impressed (downright upset really). My friend woke up from his drunken stupor and insisted that she not come.

By this time about another hour has passed by, and I felt perfectly fine. I could even feel the alcohol dissipating from my mouth, leaving that gross dry film in my mouth. So I decided I would at least get to the car first.

Getting to the car involved a 20 block walk to the Chinook Station, a short train ride, and another 5 block walk from Olympic Plaza to Cowboys. By then I was completely fine. So I drove the car to Tequila.

When we got there, found out my friend somehow disappeared on 17th Ave somewhere. That lead to a whole new set of problems that I care not to discuss in detail in this thread :P

[Phanuthier]

Now that I think about it, there might have been a second time. Between 11-2, I probably had about 16 drinks and I drove at 1 the next day. I didn't feel drunk at all (I felt perfectly sober), but I guess if you digest one drink an hour...

[flip]

Originally Posted by Dion

Did you see any of your posts quoted?

FYI I posted that stuff for infromation purposes and mislead nobody.

Sometimes you can be an arrogant prick!

I don't get why anyone is getting so upset. I've made it quite clear that this is solely my opinion. I've read each and every reply and some of them I ignore and some of them I consider. I only have 2 objections: You can't tell me how impaired I am because you don't know. Second, is that driving drunk is FAR worse IMO than driving high. I can only speak from my own experience but I am safe on the road even if I've smoke weed at some time earlier. Say I can't judge because I'm impaired all you want but how can you judge how impaired I am? You have no idea what being moderately high is like for me.

I've made sufficient rebuttles to show what I think my side is. There are still objections that others have raised about my logic but it really isn't worth trying to convince them. I don't mean that to sound like I think they are being ignorant or anything. I just believe what I believe, and others believe different. I tried to logically explain my position on this issue in the first post I made that quoted Habernac.

I took objection with your post because you posted small clips that, to me, misrepresented the issue. Dion, I respect your posts, but after reading those articles I honestly thought you just picked them without reading them. I think you clearly misrepresented the context of the comments about drugs.

Lastly, all I'll say is that unless anyone can feel what it is like to be me and be high enough to drive (as I've said before, at minimum I'll drive 20mins after, usually several hours) then you can't tell me that you know I'm too impaired to drive. That is not to say I'm not impaired but you can't prove how much. It is likely, as I've said before, that I'm a safer driver than people who are texting, talking on phones, changing CDs, tired etc. And IMO driving high (at my level) is safer than anyone driving drunk. Keep in mind that was the objection I took to Habernacs post.

[HalifaxDrunk]

"How many people here have driven Drunk?"

Drove me where? What is this thread about people driving me around? I don't think I've ever caught a lift with another CP member...

[BlackArcher101]

If there is one thing I have learned while observing friends who smoke pot and drink, it's that neither are good for driving under the influence of. And yes, I have done that too. From first hand experience, pot greatly affects your ability to drive normally. At least I admit it, but it's my friends who are heavy into it that sound like you flip. They say they drive better, they are always fine to drive, it's just a smoke, and so on. But yet when I watch them drive, it's scary as hell.

[EDBTZ12]

I smoke weed everyday and i can say that smoking weed does effect the way i drive. I like to stay on roads with a speed limit of 50/km/hr or under when im high. I have never drank or been drunk so i cant say if its worse but id imagine its probably less dangerous than driving drunk, but dangerous none the less.

[Berger_4_]

Originally Posted by Russic

I understand you're still young and I'm certainly not demanding anything. All I ask is that you try and keep comments pertaining to how fun drinking and driving is to yourself out of respect for those who do not find it as funny. Also, please give a second thought to your philosophy that driving home "with nobody on the road" is better than walking. There is always somebody on the road, and their life is worth more than your mild inconvenience.

My opinions extend to all drugs, texting and being fatigued while driving.

I most definitely will. Sorry if I offended you. Although to be fair, I didn't exactly say drinking and driving is a blast and we do it all the time. In fact, it very rarely happens now that we're all out of high school. No doubt we're starting to smarten up already.