Alberta's Ticket Out? Poll

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Especially when Alberta could be a massive source of energy for them as well as a trade partner?

So what happens when the oil runs out?

Like I said, I love how some people just expect U.S. defence. Like it's the car that a privleged teen expects when he turns 18.

Also, do you have any proof that the U.S. would defend Quebec if they were an independent nation?

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Muta

You do know, that without an Albertan military, the United States could just waltz up anytime and invade with not just relative ease, but complete ease if they wanted to... right? If that ever happened, what would have been the point of a free and independent Alberta?

You really think our armed forces could stop even one branch of the US armed forces?? LOL

[Muta]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

You really think our armed forces could stop even one branch of the US armed forces?? LOL

That's not the point.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

So what happens when the oil runs out?

Like I said, I love how some people just expect U.S. defence. Like it's the car that a privleged teen expects when he turns 18.

Also, do you have any proof that the U.S. would defend Quebec if they were an independent nation?

Theres enough oil here for 300 years.. I dont think its a concern

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Muta

That's not the point.

Quit making straw man arguments then..

[Muta]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Theres enough oil here for 300 years.. I dont think its a concern

You must be one of those that drives a Hummer.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Quit making straw man arguments then..

Huh? That doesn't make any sense.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Muta

You do know, that without an Albertan military, the United States could just waltz up anytime and invade with not just relative ease, but complete ease if they wanted to... right? If that ever happened, what would have been the point of a free and independent Alberta?

LOL!!...they could do that now, or anytime in the last 50 years.

What would the difference be exactly?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Ozy_Flame

So what happens when the oil runs out?

Like I said, I love how some people just expect U.S. defence. Like it's the car that a privleged teen expects when he turns 18.

Also, do you have any proof that the U.S. would defend Quebec if they were an independent nation?

It's not an expectation based out of a belief the US cares about us.

It's simple pragmatism. Canada and Mexico are pretty tame nations to share a border with. But any nation silly enough to attempt an invasion of either dramatically raises the stakes for the US. It's all about American self-interests.

Simply having the US there is a deterrent for the rest of the world. We don't even require American defence, because it simply won't be necessary.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Muta

You must be one of those that drives a Hummer.

Actually its 7400lbs diesel truck and it blows a lot of soot.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by transplant99

LOL!!...they could do that now, or anytime in the last 50 years.

What would the difference be exactly?

Would Canada defend us? If not, who else would?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Muta

Would Canada defend us? If not, who else would?

Canada couldn't defend itself today if the US invaded.

Burn this city was right... you need to lay off the straw man arguments.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by transplant99

LOL!!...they could do that now, or anytime in the last 50 years.

What would the difference be exactly?

So this is what I'm interpreting from people against a military:

Because we have oil, we can naturally expect defense from the U.S. We can assume their protection because Alberta is at next to no risk, and because the U.S. is already the largest war machine in the world and can protect the entire North American continent (assumingly), we can just go on living willy-nilly?

Please tell Switzerland the same thing.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Muta

Would Canada defend us? If not, who else would?

You have lost me...

They could of invaded Alberta/Canada at any point and Canada could of never done a damn thing about it then...so I have no idea what you are getting at.

No one would of defended us against them then, or now. At least not with any sort of lengthy time period attatched.

This is just a stupid argument.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Canada couldn't defend itself today if the US invaded.

Burn this city was right... you need to lay off the straw man arguments.

You guys are such keyboard warriors, it's kinda funny.

So we shouldn't have a military because it's incapable of doing anything against the American war machine?

Then why do hundreds of other countries around the world have militaries, then?

[Muta]

Originally Posted by transplant99

You have lost me...

They could of invaded Alberta/Canada at any point and Canada could of never done a damn thing about it then...so I have no idea what you are getting at.

No one would of defended us against them then, or now. At least not with any sort of lengthy time period attatched.

This is just a stupid argument.

So you would support an independent Alberta without any way of protecting itself?

[LChoy]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

It's not an expectation based out of a belief the US cares about us.

It's simple pragmatism. Canada and Mexico are pretty tame nations to share a border with. But any nation silly enough to attempt an invasion of either dramatically raises the stakes for the US. It's all about American self-interests.

Simply having the US there is a deterrent for the rest of the world. We don't even require American defence, because it simply won't be necessary.

Your viewpoint is a little narrow. I agree if US self interests were threatened, they would come to the republic of Alberta's aid, but what about the countries and entities that wish to attack the States? If there was no military, you bet the US would be pissed at our attitude, and the crossings into Montana would be more secure than the Mexican border (think how that will affect our trade/travel). Without a national military and intelligence network, the US would be vulnerable at our end. That won't be something they would stand for, unless you wish for US presence on our soil, in which case, would take away from a soverignty anyways.

[Ozy_Flame]

Originally Posted by transplant99

This is just a stupid argument.

Guess we'll just leave the protection of our land borders up to the Calgary and Edmonton police services then! Or is the glorious nation of Alberta going to nationalize the police force for what protection we (apparently don't) need?

Let's close our eyes and hope that everything works out okey-dokey!

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Muta

So you would support an independent Alberta without any way of protecting itself?

I support Alberta now.....conferate or otherwise...and we have no way to protect ourselves.

Why would I change that?

[ok, ok,....I get it]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

You really think our armed forces could stop even one branch of the US armed forces?? LOL

actually, yes, a small determined group of guerilla fighters can tie up large numbers of conventional forces......see, Yugoslavia (WW2), Chechnya, Iraq, Afg, any where in Africa.

To the OP....no the very suggestion is treason!