Coalition Deal To Topple Minority Tory Govt- [Update Parliament Prorogued until Jan]

[Nancy]

Originally Posted by Ronald Pagan

As has been iterated throughout this thread.

No, no it is not a coup d'etat.

Are you saying they're not going to behead Harper on the steps of the Parliament? Bah! Canadian History is so boring, leave it to our politicians to mess up an opportunity to spice things up a bit.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

If your first attempt at governing is to antagonize the other parties you are supposed to be working with YOU FAIL and deserve to be thrown out.

How do you figure? This is nothing more than a power struggle... which will cost us millions in Tax dollars.... At some point they will need to go back to another election which will end up with another minority government.

[Phaneuf3]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

If your first attempt at governing is to benefit the country and citizens you are working for YOU FAIL and deserve to be thrown out.

there - fixed that for you.

[metallicat]

At which point they conceded their mistakes, backed off on their plans like they should do in a minority situation, and they are still faced with this.

[FanIn80]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

If your first attempt at governing is to antagonize the other parties you are supposed to be working with YOU FAIL and deserve to be thrown out.

Socialist supporters with huge chips on their shoulders from decades of never even coming close to being taken seriously, are definitely my favourite part of this thread.

[ernie]

And through it all the Bloc are laughing their asses off. NDP+Liberal still means minority and less seats than the conservatives. The only way they can govern is by getting support of one of the other parties and you can bet that they won't have the support of the Conservatives any time soon. So they need the support of the Bloc to get anything done. Which pretty much means that it doesn't matter if Layton or Dion of Ignatieff or Rae or whoever is "prime minister" because they will simply be puppets and the puppet master will be Duceppe.

[Boblobla]

So, if the Conservatives lose a non-confidence vote the Libs/NDPs could just take over? WTF is the point of an election then if you are just going to give another party control?

[CaptainCrunch]

So this Coalition is going to announce $30 billion in new spending the minute that they take over.

A) Where is this money going to come from?
B) Why is this even neccessary until we find out what the American's are going to do about their economy and the auto industry.

Stupid

[Ronald Pagan]

A) Where is this money going to come from?
B) Why is this even neccessary until we find out what the American's are going to do about their economy and the auto industry.

From canceling $50 billion of corporate tax cuts

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Ronald Pagan

From canceling $50 billion of corporate tax cuts

Excellent.

Good to see that the Government wants to bite the hand that feeds us.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So this Coalition is going to announce $30 billion in new spending the minute that they take over.

A) Where is this money going to come from?

Pick and choose...A repeal of the corporate tax cuts, upping the GST back to 7%, increase in personal income taxes etc etc. Essentially increase the tax burden to the general populace and/or businesses.

B) Why is this even neccessary until we find out what the American's are going to do about their economy and the auto industry.

It's not necessary. It's a power grab and they hope to satisfy public opinion by throwing a huge number out there with the tag "economic stimulus". There is a public perception that because the US did it that Canada should do it as well, though there is no mortgage crisis in Canada like there is/was in the US.

Numbers out today also show growth in the Canadian economy compared to contraction of the US economy. Growth that outpaced predictions by a bit. They expect the numbers to get worse of course but it does seem to suggest that the Tories are indeed correct that the Canadian economy will come out of this WORLDWIDE recession better than most industrialized nations.

Well would have. Who knows what possible damage could be done right now.

I live in Nova Scotia. It's has a heavy concentration of Liberal and NDP supporters. I have yet to talk to one that supports this move. Many are getting upset that Chretiens friends seem to be taking prominent roles. This is not what people voted for and they are NOT happy.

[peter12]

This is such a clear example that the American system is superior to ours in every sense. You have an election, you move on.

[Nancy]

Originally Posted by Devils'Advocate

I think it has to be re-iterated ever 3 posts. A coup d'etat is an UNCONSTITUTIONAL overthrow of a government. In this case, our parliamentry procedures are being followed to the letter. Westminster parliamentry rules allow, if not encourage parties to work together and form coalitions.

Sorry, I wouldn't have thought that it was "seriously" up for discussion that this was a coup d'etat because clearly it is not and it is technically legal and all that. What is up for discussion is whether or not the majority of people believe that the coalition has the moral authority to govern. I'm not even sure that Dion has the moral authority to govern his own party, let alone Canada.

I also don't think that this will be perceived well internationally and expect the C$ to take a hit.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by ernie

Pick and choose...A repeal of the corporate tax cuts, upping the GST back to 7%, increase in personal income taxes etc etc. Essentially increase the tax burden to the general populace and/or businesses.

Lovely, thats going to help the economy in the long run. Lets tax the out of people and out of the companies that actually employ people, while a the same time make goods more expensive so that people wont't buy. then take that money and piss it down a deep dark well, or knee jerk stimuli thats probable not needed at this time, and expanded and stupid social programs..

Originally Posted by ernie

It's not necessary. It's a power grab and they hope to satisfy public opinion by throwing a huge number out there with the tag "economic stimulus". There is a public perception that because the US did it that Canada should do it as well, though there is no mortgage crisis in Canada like there is/was in the US.

Numbers out today also show growth in the Canadian economy compared to contraction of the US economy. Growth that outpaced predictions by a bit. They expect the numbers to get worse of course but it does seem to suggest that the Tories are indeed correct that the Canadian economy will come out of this WORLDWIDE recession better than most industrialized nations.

Well would have. Who knows what possible damage could be done right now.

I live in Nova Scotia. It's has a heavy concentration of Liberal and NDP supporters. I have yet to talk to one that supports this move. Many are getting upset that Chretiens friends seem to be taking prominent roles. This is not what people voted for and they are NOT happy.

It shows me that these three parties were planning on this to happen before the offical budget came out, the fact that they're moving forward on this strategy based around a mini budget, or a mid course budget means that they know that they don't have a leg to stand on.

To me this is still soley about seizing power and saving their party bank accounts.

[driveway]

I friggin' love Canadian politics. This is so awesome.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

So this Coalition is going to announce $30 billion in new spending the minute that they take over.

A) Where is this money going to come from?

ALBERTA.

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I'm just a casual political observer so I don't follow all the details but how can a party (Liberals) abstain from every vote in the house last year and lost 25 seats in this election become the ruling party with a new leader who never won a leadership election or federal election?

I can't the GG agreeing to this. There has to be an election.

What are Harper's powers? Can't he call another election? He's the PM afterall.

[Cheese]

The best thing to do is to email the Federal Liberals and tell them you will not vote for them again if they enter into this type of agreement.
http://www.liberal.ca/contact_e.aspx

Then again...as Albertans I doubt you would allow a Liberal email to touch your monitor LOLOL.

Seriously folks...this will take a 3 party coalition to pull off. The NDP is asking for a 2.5 year deal to rule. I doubt much that a new Liberal leader will bite on that term as it would handcuff him right from the start. IF this happens, its short term, and all you Cons will have another chance to elect a majority within a year...which it clearly appears TROC does not want.
The whole issue with the $30B and changing corp tax rates yada yada yada is simply crap. Its one pocket to another.

[burn_this_city]

Originally Posted by Cheese

The best thing to do is to email the Federal Liberals and tell them you will not vote for them again if they enter into this type of agreement.
http://www.liberal.ca/contact_e.aspx

Then again...as Albertans I doubt you would allow a Liberal email to touch your monitor LOLOL.

Seriously folks...this will take a 3 party coalition to pull off. The NDP is asking for a 2.5 year deal to rule. I doubt much that a new Liberal leader will bite on that term as it would handcuff him right from the start. IF this happens its short term and all you Cons will have another chance to elect a majority within a year...which it clearly appears TROC does not want.
The whole issue with the $30B and changing corp tax rates yada yada yada is simply crap. Its one pocket to another.

I tried to email but its says it blocks all Alberta IP addresses.

[Cheese]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

ALBERTA.

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I'm just a casual political observer so I don't follow all the details but how can a party (Liberals) abstain from every vote in the house last year and lost 25 seats in this election become the ruling party with a new leader who never won a leadership election or federal election?

I can't the GG agreeing to this. There has to be an election.

What are Harper's powers? Can't he call another election? He's the PM afterall.

Harper has a minority Government. In other words he needs the support of at least one other party at all times to rule for any length of time. This isnt US politics where the President can do what he pleases. IF Harper had gained a majority he could rule carte blanche.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by Ronald Pagan

From canceling $50 billion of corporate tax cuts

So, in order to fund a plan to give billions of dollars to corporations, we're going to repeal a plan that allows corporations to keep from paying billions of dollars in extra taxes?

That's the kind of brilliant economic planning I'm looking forward to from the 3 Stooges government.